Les Islanders ou les Canucks ont-ils remporté l’échange de Bo Horvat ?
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Les Islanders ou les Canucks ont-ils remporté l’échange de Bo Horvat?
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From what I’ve seen, both fanbases feel a bit ripped off. I’m pretty sure that’s a sign of a fair trade.
Time will tell. If horvat doesn’t repeat with what’s looking like a 40goal season, I’d say it was a hefty price for a 40-50 point guy.
Isles got best player, Nucks got some prospects on the shelf and cap space…I’d lean towards Isles winning the trade, but only cause I’m a delusional Nucks fan who expected way more than market value…although I do think the return would have been better had Horvat been on another team not so desperate.
I’d say it’s even. The Canucks needed to 1) move Bo and 2) bring in assets – they did that with Raty and the 1st round pick (and got younger with Beauvillier, too).
The Islanders needed to get some help at centre and they did just that.
I’d say it was a win-win for both teams (as much as some Canucks fans think we should’ve NHL 23 forced-a-trade for Dobson, Barzal, and two firsts). If Bo doesn’t re-sign – then you can look even further in to this trade.
Its far too early to tell.
The Canucks won by landslide if, raty develops to be a 3c or better, (essentially like horvat), Beau if he replaces Pearson and just needed a change of scenery to play like he did in the past and keep improving or flip him again for more picks next year. If the 1st Rd pick isn’t a bust. All while horvat chooses not to extend with nyi and walks to UFA.
The Canucks aquired 3 assets for a pending UFA, and got very close to their asking price for a RENTAL. Not sure how some canucks fans feel they got ripped off, and seeing how alvin didn’t even bother to circle back to other teams, he didn’t get anywhere close to his asking price from other teams other than Lou.
Nyi wins by a landslide if raty is a bust, Beau is more or less the same player, 1st Rd pick is a bust and Lou signs bo to a very good 7yr contract.
Fair would be a mix of both scenarios give and take.
Vancouver wins as long as they keep doing more trades for prospects and picks. If this is a one off it’s totally pointless.
In the short term, assuming that Bo signs (99% certain that he will as no GM is dumb enough to trade for an asset that walks away in a few months or cannot be flipped), Islanders win as Bo, I am certain will continue to do well. How much he can help Islanders win more games than they lose is another question.
Does anybody else remember when canucks fan felt absolutely scammed when Gillis traded away Cory Schneider for 9th overall (Bo Horvat)?
Right now it looks like the Canucks because until Bo signs an extension he is just a rental on a team on the outside looking in at the playoffs. I am guessing that the islanders don’t make the playoffs and Bo is traded again at the deadline for whatever the Isle can get for him, to lessen the sting of the trade they made with Vancouver.
If Islanders continue to suck Nucks win.
Vancouver wins this trade for sure. The Isle are not in a position to pay such a hefty price for a rental. They’re on the decline. If they somehow sign Bo long term then they’re surely going to overpay, which is a loss for them, but if they can’t, then they also lose.
We get a 13-16 pick in one of the deepest drafts in history, a 20yo 200ft 6’2 centreman with a very high ceiling who can also win draws, and a 25yo winger with a motor and lots of potential (and who also makes Brock expendable). Huge win for us compare the Isle.
Ask again in 5 years.
I wish we would’ve moved Miller last year for the alleged package of chytill, a 1st and lundqvist and signed Bo instead buuuut….
Things being what they were, I think this is a good deal for the canucks. Even if things don’t necessarily go out way and pan out, it was the right move regardless. I’m still not super stoked on our FO, but this is a step in the right direction.
waay to early to tell, immediate impact maybe NYI but we got a workable NHL player and a few good prospects
Ngl horvats offense was already slowing before we traded him so I’m happy we didn’t sign him for a 7×7.5
Barring a Stanley Cup win for the New York Islanders in which Bo Horvat or assets acquired from trading Bo Horvat play a significant role, this is **easily** a win for the Vancouver Canucks. I can’t even believe it’s being debated.
Horvat is the highest quality asset in the trade, but « whoever gets the best player wins the trade » is an antiquated, pre salary cap notion. It’s PARTICULARLY antiquated in a flat cap world where cost efficiency and draft capital are at peak value. Whoever signs Horvat to his inevitable 7.5-8M per year deal will have a burden on their hands in 3-4 years. Looking at each team’s respective window of contention (neither is remotely close, and the Islanders seem closer to bottoming out than surging forward with their empty prospect pool), I don’t see any legitimate cup challenges being posed in those 3-4 years. The Canucks get a quality pick in a deep draft, or an unprotected first next year, a young solid prospect with a very high floor, and an inefficient winger on a deal that expires in a year and a half.
The Islanders will be better immediately, just in time to play themselves into mushy mediocrity. The Canucks knock down the first of what must be many dominoes in the process of rehabilitating this mess of a team. If the last decade has taught fans here anything, it’s that taking a small step towards potential future cup contention means a lot more than taking a small step towards « let’s maybe make the playoffs, anything can happen » and emptying the prospect pipeline to do it.
Nucks won because they finally turned a depreciating asset into an appreciating asset.
Imagine the previous dumbass GM had got something— anything — for Toffoli, Marky, Tanev, heck even a consideration for Tony from Richmond.
As mush as I love Schenn, trade him for an asset. Trade, trade, trade, trade and trade some more.
The win here isn’t what we got, it’s the mere fact we got something.
Anyone arguing that Bo was worth more is missing the point by a wide margin. In this phase of the cap, teams just can’t afford to be stupid with contracts (Hello Canucks!), so getting something for a player who 31 teams knew was going to walk and could be signed for only the cost of his contract in a few months, this is a very good return.
For the Islanders, well, this could be the bump they need or it’s going to bash them in the head, hard.
Vancouver wins long term with Raty and the 1st rounder
Who has to win? He wasn’t going to sign so we got some value and cap space, which is what we needed. It’s a pointless question to ask.
Depends what happens with that first and whether Raty develops.
Can they find a decent player at 13-15? Certainly should be a no brainer.
But they have screwed up too many first round picks over the decades for me to feel overly confident with this deals outcome.
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Anyone signing Horvat to 8×8 or similar, after an outlier, career year, is the looser.
The Canucks win the trade because they got what the wanted with almost no leverage. They know what Horvats camp is asking for. That’s why they didn’t let teams talk to his agent about an extension.
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It’s too early to tell.
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It all hinges on the Islanders performance this year. If they dip into the bottom 12 we win cause now we either get the unprotected 2024 pick or we get a top 12 pick this year. If they turn it around and go on a deep run they win because ultimately the pick would be too late in the first to carry significant value. If they miss the playoffs and we get a top 20 pick we win again since it’s a deep draft and we should be able to make good use of that pick. The first is a huge risk from the Islanders point of view and that could really backfire for them down the line. I think it was a smart bet for the Canucks to make. They still got a good prospect and if things go poorly for the Islanders we’re set up quite nicely for this draft or next.
Canucks did. Time to move on and get new leadership in the room. First round pick and the future cap space to make other moves + a prospect.
Maybe it’s all an inside job and Horvat doesn’t sign with the isles. He did this for the greater good of the Canucks and he comes back to Van in the offseason on a reasonable contact
Canucks won because Allvin pulled the trigger.
If other teams were willing to pay more and they didn’t, now they know. The trade assets can be argued, validly. But I think the win here is in Allvin establishing he can make decisions.
This should help heading into the trade deadline.