Les Oilers d’Edmonton et les Sharks de San Jose ont repris les pourparlers sur Erik Karlsson. Eh bien, cela peut sembler tiré par les cheveux, il y a un vrai intérêt à cela pour les Oilers d’Edmonton! #EdmontonOilers #Oilers #SanJoseSharks #NHLRumors #Sharks
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the trade ain't happening no point in talking about it, Sharks want 3 1sts for Karlsson at 18% retained
if san jose's management was mentally unstable enough to accept A 1 fer 1 with Karlsson for Nurse (obviously with some sort of salary retention and stipulations etc.), I would be over joyed.(Pipe Dream). Karlsson's Defensive play cant get much worse than Nurse and has 100% more upside offensively. As far as all the trade rumors, I wouldn't even mind keeping Pulju for the rest of the year getting scratched every now and then and dress him when its deemed fit. The current state of affairs around the league is as a generalization, Trades are fairly one sided. Any delusional fans that think where making a cup run need to take a breath and understand this year is not the year, a few tweaks still need to be made. Hold on to Pulju without pushing for a trade, if by some miracle of god we can get a good return im happy but that scenario seems highly unlikely. Kenny doesn't have much negotiating power. Lets hope he can do his best.
enough small talk get to the point !!! DOL
This trade shouldn’t happen and it won’t happen.
You never no what Holland got cooking
Given the following:
1. Cap-crunched teams are usually limited to an upgrade, not an add. Holland says he's only upgrading.
2. Cap-crunched teams can only pay in futures (draft picks / prospects) and the replaced player, in exchange for salary retained and the upgrading player.
3. Cap-crunched teams most highly value 'player value', pardon the repetition there. Performance per dollar is most important for teams who're strapped for cash. (Per Ken Holland)
Which Oilers could a high-end D-man at a high-end price potentially upgrade?
Ceci: Objectively the best player to include in a trade for Karlsson based on expected differential goals alone. Karlsson's worst years are way better than Ceci's best.
Tyson Barrie: Barrie's higher cap being traded away would be awesome, but he provides significantly more value to the club than Ceci. If you argue Shutdown D is the need, so Karlsson should replace barrie, I'd ask why you're looking at karlsson in the first place, because he doesn;t come for free. Barrie has value, which is the club's ultimate goal here. (again, per Holland)
This leaves: Bouchard, Broberg and Desharnais, who're all really cheap and high value. I think you can argue the addition of Desharnais' at his price is one of the best value adds since Re-signing Kane. Objectively someone like Karlsson is a skill upgrade over any of those three. But they have higher overall value to a cap-crunched team than a $11.5m D-Man on market who also poaches a ton of our futures. This can't even be a conversation anymore really. The price is too high.
Even further: Staufford made it pretty clear that Karlsson has a huge bias against living in Edmonton, so any time we're not in cup contention, he'll demand to be moved, and then we'll have another Puljujarvi situation where we get dogshit value for him.
Yes, the Oilers want a defensive upgrade. But the market prices for D-men right now make it such that Oilers will lose a lot more than they gain (even in the short term). That is unless something insane (but plausible!) happens like Oilers go with a 10-forward / 8-defense roster.
The only safe upgrades the Oilers can make, and it pains me to say this, is on the bottom 6. More goals is the last thing oilers need, but it's the only thing that makes sense given the cap & performance-per-dollar context.
In my mind the only logical trade for the Oilers is: Puljujarvi out, maybe another forward like Foegele or Yamo, pay in futures, and get back one reliable higher performing forward with whatever salary retained to make things work. It sucks but I don't see any other way around it without completely selling out Edmonton's futures for a meaningful D-man upgrade that's unfamiliar with Woodcroft's systems.
Trade nurse
Karlsson might want to come to a winning team!
If there is one point of a Karlson trade is that Karlson is performing how Darnell should be performing given his salary. A Karlson – Nurse + assets trade would work in the short term very well.
Okay so with what we're short on for Yamo we'd need 13 million from somewhere. SJ CANNOT retain a ton. They don't have it. They also have a finite # of slots of dead cap / retention and if they use one on Karlsson they're hooped on the 2 other players they want to free up cap for to rotate out. Unless they keep half and we can get another team to take another 1/4 on top of that (so 3/4's is handled by others) I can't see how we could afford it. Important note: He has, what, 3 or 4 more years at 2 million MORE than we're paying for Darnell Nurse and, oh, gee, like that contract (for Nurse) hasn't been, ah, an issue in the fandom. If he comes in who goes out? He's right shot isn't he? Look, reality just is a problem and you're expecting Uncle Kenny to be "creative" (chortle, snicker). Take care all.
Was just skating at the ice district skating rink it was pretty fun, check out the team store.
Trade Pullujarvi and Barrie for Karlsson, there's 7 million out, and 7 million in.
We need to get realistic here. We need a defenceman not another winger playing defense. As for Nurse, well we gotta eat that friggin contract for awhile.
LET'S GO OILERS !!!
There is a way but it involves a third team that trades for Karlson with salary retained and then they trade to oilers
Karlsson is one heck of a player but injury-prone.
Posted on the score app also
Karlsson is not coming to Edmonton
I can't see how they would do this
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