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I think the next step in GMing will be when to know when to take a step back, even as a contender. The Flames were fucked. Gaudreau wanted out and so did Tkatchuk. There was no winning this. I think they should've accepted taking a step back this year, kept Tkatchuk to move him at the deadline and place their pieces for next season. I DO NOT think trading Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar is a smart idea: Huberdeau's value comes from how well he plays with Barkov. I can't believe this comes as s surprise to anyone.. have you watched them play like… ever?
And also… this trend of trading for players and then signing them for 8 years before you've seen what they can do with your team has to die. It's horrible, Gms are doing it because they feel they have no choice and it's fucking their teams long term so bad. Agents are just eating them up. Trade for guys with no contracts at the deadline, see what they can give you, then talk extension. Traveling thought he was saving his job by bringing Huberdeau and Weegar and giving them lengthy extensions. Me thinks that will be what kicks him out of there.
“Huberdeau contract aged badly” we’re only 6 months in. It’ll sort itself out GFG 🔥
where there is flames there is smoke
Flames need to move on from treliving in the summer. Probably sutter too.
I kinda want Bruce there it is
"They got an upgrade!" is what I heard after the moves made in the 2022 off season. I cringed when a number of hockey analysts said that.
And it's exactly what I DIDN'T say when Gaudreau and Matty left. I called it. The players they got back were coming from a team that was far superior and were not going to reproduce the same results they had in Florida.
pain
@ 3:50 LOL
That's why you, good sir, are my favorite hockey personality on YouTube. Cheers.
So frustrating because I thought they should of rebuilt when they lost to Dallas. Instead they dug in with Markstrom to keep trying to make a run in the playoffs with that core. The core leaves/trades and they gamble on new hired gun players and it didn't work. Now we're stuck in the middle again for who knows how long .
I don't think they are going to make the playoffs – sell assets.Try and unload Hubby.
treliving giving huberdont that extension without playing 1 game for the Shames will seal his fate as gm….thats not a Sutter type of player….
Well put.
Sutter has a right to be pissed of for the situation they are in, but a good coach also needs to be able to self reflect and criticize their own decisions. And I'm not sure if Sutter is doing that.
And some of the decisions he has made have been downright weird
-Lucic and Lewis in the top 6
-Markstrom playing too often when Vladar has clearly deserved the starts till Marky finds his game
-Ruzicka being demoted from the top 6 after being on a point per game pace
-complete neglect or hesitation to play young players (Philips got 18 minutes in the NHL before being sent down and it took Sutter nearly 45 games to give Pelletier a chance)
-Starting 2 D-men in 3 on 3 OT
-4th line on the ice at the end of a game when a goal to tie is needed
-Keeping lines together too long that clearly aren't working as well as they should (ex. mang-kadri-dube, huby-lind-toff), and lack of patience with lines that look to be on the verge of breaking out
I'm certainly missing some things from this list, there have been many times this year where the decisions he has made have baffled me.
u had too much fun with this one.
Thanks for the love on Connor Ingram!! He's my cousin so it was dope to see him get a shout-out!
Bobby Francis with phoenix
I'm glad more players are standing up against the style of coaching Sutter uses. There's a difference between tough love and just verbal abuse when it comes to coaching and I think as we get more and more understanding of the damage that kind of abuse causes we will end up getting better players out of it, from junior up to the NHL level
What an enjoyable game against Rangers! They clicked together and shined.
Prime Scottie Bowman couldn't get the flames to perform better
The real problem with the Flames is that they have too many Canucks! The Canucks hired too many Bruins!
Unless Murray Edwards sells the team, nothing will change, he sucks.
They've gone through numerous coaches since the lockout all with the same middling results. I'm not being a Sutter defender, and I think he's past his best before date, but….
After that who will want coach The Flames? That to me is an indictment of a larger issue.
Murray Edwards is a shit owner who only cares about counting receipts and getting his greedy mitts on the public treasury.
Keefe gets angry but is by far the best coach when it comes to attitude
Huberdeau has about half of the goals & assists that were hoping for/ that signed up to do. So this creates a problem – for the team & for Treliving given the 8 yr timeframe. Tkach & Gudr leaving was a massive problem to solve – so much of it was just a bad situation with the only other option being to rebuild. A shame. Sutter does seem very boring/difficult tho but without Hube as a star – tough job for him too.
Go Flames Go. Wait till the playoffs start. They will beat everybody in the west
Brown did say that the players only meeting was overblown in LA.
The reason people have a problem with Sutter is very simple….90% of the people under the age of 30 are mentally and emotionally WEAK!! It’s EVERYWHERE, from sports to everyday people and it’s infecting our military (at least the United States military. As an almost 40 year old fully disabled combat veteran myself seeing what has happened to society but especially the military makes me sick to my stomach. We know who’s responsible for it so there’s no need to point out the obvious. I mean if you don’t believe me, just look around!
lol….the Annual Flameout saga.
I think they need to get their goaltending in check and none of this is an issue.
While I'm very disappointed in the Flames this season, they're pretty much where I expected them to be. There's no way that Huberdeau was going to replicate his performance in Flordia, that edition of the Panthers had much better offensive depth than this edition of the Flames.
That means the team defense and goaltending has to make up for the net loss of offensive output, which unfortunately hasn't happened.
This seasons Flames are struggling to score goals and the goaltending has been inconsistent at best.
Just ask Carrillo what he said about Sutter a few years back. I’ll leave it at that.
Players for the most part are delicate flowers now? Can't take criticism? I miss the days when men played in the NHL
I love it when the coaching strategy is ' work hard'. Good old dead puck Era mentality right there
Crazy is that…..Jon Cooper has won 2 consecutive Stanley Cups. 3 Straight Stanley Cup appearances. Never been a Jack Adams coach of the year.
I’m just not a Sutter fan at all, seems like the type of coach who is stubborn and stuck in his ways instead of looking at the team he has and utilizing it to the best of their ability. Good coaches can get the most out of their players, Sutter instead tries to force them into a style that isn’t what they are then berates them when they lose. Then when he treats the rookies like crap, whether he meant it as a joke or not, it’s no wonder he loses the locker room. It’s all negative from Sutter, no positive
Be honest, how many of you just learned that CC is short for 'carbon copy'?
You just said Hanafin was their best defensemen this year? You haven't been watching many flames games then. He's been a defensive liability
Flames need to cut ties with the Sutter family and forget the local boy attitude, their family farm is hours of drives away from C-town. I didn't think CGY would lose their mini P Kane in Gaudreau and Thachuk, Monahan has sadly been injury prone too. I don't think Sutter is the answer
When Backlund is the star of the team you have a problem.
Sutter isn't the problem. He sees every lost faceoff, every missed assignment, every mistake. That's his job. He expects the best of his players as he should.
Calgary isnt the same team as last year. Huberdeau needs someone to pass to. Khadri isnt that guy… Last year you all wanted to get Darrel Sutter tattoos. All muppets… This is not at all the same team as last year. Im sure Sutters learned his lesson from LA. List of a buncha coaches that left after getting the JA…. scotty bowman, whats your point.
Goaltending will affect the team. Markstroms performance is a key negative factor. Both Huberdeau and Kadri are flat but will be better, but it may be too little too late. Huberdeau is feeling the pressure that comes with the big paycheck. I like Sutter and his style. But he needs to bend a bit and try to help Huberdeau get his game back before he becomes a Pulijarjvi like dud.
I would move Huberdeau before July 1. Get two players under 25
Maybe the NHL just doesn't know how to pick the "best" coach. Maybe it's more about politics than coaching ability. I really don't know. I'm just posing the question. But the number of coaches who stayed with their team after winning the Jack Adams trophy is incredibly small. It's gotta be more than just coincidence. What do you think?
Negative re-inforcement doesn't work anymore. Just like Torturella,,,,
Flames had a power play. Seven times had possession, seven times skated to the offensive zone and dumped the puck in and promptly lost possession and the opposing team dumped it out. Seven times in a row. On the same power play.