Quinn Hughes est 4e pour NHL D dans WAR avec 2,8. Filip Hronek est 5e pour NHL D dans WAR avec 2,6.
Quinn Hughes is 4th for NHL D in WAR with 2.8.
Filip Hronek is 5th for NHL D in WAR with 2.6.
With Elias Pettersson (3.4) & Andrei Kuzmenko (2.4), that makes 4 of the top 20 players in the NHL this season.
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— Ben Misfeldt (@BBMHockey) March 2, 2023
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited to see these two do some damage on the top line but I’m upset at what it’s going to cost us. JR really had me convinced we were going rebuild for half a second
Hronek can be #1 in WAR for defensemen, it’s not a move this team should’ve made.
Huh would you look at that! This subs pessimism is starting to piss me off. Hronek is a fantastic player and everyone is chalking him up as some over rated bum. Yeah we overpaid, but hes a young RHD that fills a massive hole in our system. Theres still a few days left for more moves, and we still have a high draft pick. Allvin has said multiple times we are retooling. This has NEVER been a rebuild, they have said that multiple times.
Confirmation the canucks won the trade.
NOT (Borat voice)
Naturally…the time to buy-high was now when the team was staring down the barrel of a top-5 (top-7) draft pick.
why now?
why?
like actually, why?
god damn, just completely lost the plot.
There are stats saying that Hughes is in the bottom 25% WAR in both his offense and defense this season. I posted the JFresh card on this sub a while ago, although it’s on my profile if you’d rather not scroll through a week’s worth of posts.
It’s definitely weird as Hughes does not seem to be an offensive black hole by any stretch of the meaning. He literally drives the offense and is the only defenseman on this team who can get the puck out of the zone consistently without smashing it off the glass and (often) giving up possession.
Does the calculated value (2.8) in this post take into consideration the amount of points he has?
I’ve wanted Hronek on the Canucks for a long time, can’t wait to see what he can do with Hughes.
He’s 25 and got lots of room to grow, but with his injury history and expiring deal I don’t know why All in felt he needed to make this trade. Still excited to have him.
The more I sit back and think of it, a Horvat + 2nd trade for Hronek + Beauvillier + Raty + 4th actually doesn’t sound too bad from a re-tool perspective. And in the scheme of things, an aggressive retool makes far more sense then blowing up a roster with Petey Hughes and Demko in their prime
Plugging a gaping hole in our RHD, getting a solid prospect in Raty and a good roster player in beau was pretty much what we would have hoped for.
Canuck fans are the worst
So the core of this team is very good and we’re being weighed down by a handful (albeit a large handful) of TRULY awful underperforming contracts. Paying Myers/OEL more than 13 million in cap hit to be below replacement level is simply not something a team that has any designs on being competitive can do. I don’t know how a re-tool works until both those contracts and one or both of Boeser and Garland are off the books.
WAR what is it good for
He’s the first Czech D since Lukas Krajicek if my guess is correct.
We went from a 7 year retool on the fly to another retool on the fly
I saw « Quinn Hughes » and « 4th » and nearly had a heart attack. Thank goodness I’ll get to continue dying a slower death at the hands of this franchise (though this tweet does make me feel slightly more okay, but it’ll pass).
Let’s see the full list because this means most of Makar, McAvoy l, Hedman, Josi, Heiskanen, Letang, Eriksson, Dahlin, Slavin, Toews, Théodore are below them which I would find pretty suspect.
There is a lot of bending over backwards to defend this trade right now, similar to the OEL trade, Myers signing, Miller trade, Miller signing etc.
For me one of the simplest way to evaluate it is ask yourself why, a team that is in a similar position as Vancouver (young roster that wants to get better sooner rather than later), wanted to move him while he is having a career year?
Detroit has Seider in the NHL and Edvinsson in the AHL. Lindstrom is also a decent bottom pairing guy in the NHL but not likely to be a top 4 player. That’s it.
The comments here are eerily similar to those we saw in the Myers, OEL, Guddy, etc threads all those years previous. I really hope Hronek kills it and this is seen as a genius move but you can’t exactly blame people for being unhappy with this trade.
Yzerman doesn’t lose trades.
Filip Hronek is filip hronek but a late first round draft pick could be anything…. It could even be filip hronek!
I’ve wanted him for so long, too. I just hope we can extend him to a fair deal.
I understand why people are unhappy about the picks, I think it was an overpay, too, but I just happy we actually got a top 4 defencemen, not a Jim Benning special where a bottom pair guy gets overplayed by a shit team and Jim brings him in saying « look how much he played » he’s a top 4 guy.
OK, just go and try trading Hronek for the 5th or 6th best D-man in the league and see what they say!
I would have rather got marino if this was the price to pay for hronek
Omg I got scared we treaded Quinn for a 4th round pick.
If, and only if, nyi makes playoffs and possibly finished deep in playoffs then It’s totally worth it. Put it this way: I’d trade lekkermaki for hronek
2018/19 -10
2019/20 -38
2020/21 -18
2021/22 -29
2021/22 +8
career -87
Sounds like a solid guy for hughes pairing
lol
new jim same as the old jim
sell the team
Cool, good thing there’s 2 powerplay units, that’s how it works right?
F HDS. D GPOG
Trying to talk myself into this trade, but how is this in terms of a potential opening night defence next season.
– Hughes (~7M) & Hronek (~4M)
– OEL (~7M) & Bear (~3M)
– Dermott (~1M) & Livingstone (~1M)
Works out to about 25M, 30% of the cap. Means they have turned over everyone from Benning era except Hughes/OEL. Everyone except OEL is =<26.
Here’s a PSA:
Mid to Late 1st rounders who are currently NHLers since 2018: IE PICKS FROM 15-31, only including current NHL regulars
2017:
Erik Brannstrom 15th overall 171 games 39pts
Juuso Valimaki 16th overall 139 games 38 pts
Timothy Liljegren 17th overall 124 games 39 pts
Josh Norris 19th overall 133games 93 pts
Robert Thomas 20th overall 298 games 215 pts
Filip Chytil 21st overall 306 games 130 pts
Kailer Yamamoto 22nd overall 224 games 107 pts
Jake Oettinger 26th overall GOALIE
Morgan Frost 27th overall 138 games 52 pts
Henri Jokiharju 29th overall 250 games 64 pts
Eeli Tolvanen 30th overall 161 games 69 pts
Klim Kostin 31st overall 86 games 28 pts
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2018:
Liam Foudy 18th overall. 68 games 14 pts
Rasmus Kupari 20th overall. 110 games 24 pts
K’Andre Miller 22nd overall. 195 games 62 pts
Isac Lundestrom 23rd overall 191 games 58 pts
Nils Lundkvist 28th overall 79 games 20 pts
Rasmus Sandin 29th overall 140 games 48 pts
Joe Veleno 30th overall 130 games 32 pts
2019:
Cole Caufield 15th overall 123 games 84 pts
Alex Newhook 16th overall 136 games 59 pts
Peyton Krebs 17th overall 112 games 41 pts
Tobias Bjornfot 22nd overall 114 games 15 pts
Philip Tomasino 24th overall 84 games 37 pts
So majority of players drafted from 15th to 31st overall don’t even become NHLers and a lot of the players that do become NHLers aren’t even impact players.
Take the data however you want.