Depends on your perspective. Tkachuk could have signed the qualifying offer, played a season, and left for nothing. While they underperformed, the Flames got a good return for 1 season worth of Matthew Tkachuk.
Edit: in my opinion, the mistake was not flipping Huberdeau and Weegar. Both were on great contracts with one year remaining and would have gotten a haul in young players, prospects, and draft picks. We have heard that there was a debate on whether to rebuild or push forward last season, and I think this was a consequence of continuing to remain competitive.
I don’t think it is unrealistic to say that the Flames could have turned Tkachuk into 3 first round draft picks, a couple mid tier prospects, and change.
Frame_Toby
No shit
IfICommentDownvote
ALRIGHT WE GET IT WE FUCKED UP I DONT NEED A CONSTANT REMINDER
Top-Pension-7527
Hube underperformed for sure but the team seemed fragmented (coaching issue?) and never had chemistry (I miss the purple gatorade days 🙁 ). I don’t know if it’s completely his fault but ya obviously we lost the trade.
vito_corleone01
Yes.
thecmen
Panthers may have won the trade….after the first year. Like all trades, it takes time for the dust to settle to determine “a winner”. Let’s talk again in a few years.
Wooden_Proposal_1615
Hub has the ability to bounce back. Will the contract age well? No! Weeger is a top pairing D- Man locked up long term at a good salary. Yes we lost a great player in Chucky, we also gained a 2nd line LW and a top pairing D. Still a few years before we can evaluate who won or not.
cgydan
We lost the trade in the short term. But in the longer term, who knows. Tkachuk plays a style that can shorten a player’s career. So maybe we lost the trade now but let’s see what happens.
But I agree flipping for picks and younger players would have been a better move. Except Sutter would not have agreed with that and we all now how dysfunctional the Flames have been this past year
dookie-cannon
Thank you captain obvious
LionManMan
THW bringing that cutting edge analysis.
willshire59
Let’s talk after this season with a new coach and hub hopefully playing on his proper wing the whole year. I’m optimistic of next season see who we get as coach /gm.
flyin_italian
There is so much term in this deal that we really can’t say. Not to mention other moving parts.
It’s a dynamic comparison that will probably ebb and flow.
**Trade happened:** unanimous flames win
**End of season:** unanimous Florida win
**Next season:** ??
**The heat death of the universe:** everyone loses
It’s not looking good right now with chucky tearing it up, but give Huberdeau just 1 above 70 point season next year and I’d put it back to a « wash » status.
OnlyHereForMemes69
I think I want to see Huberdeau on his main wing for more than a quarter of the season before saying we lost the trade
Suspicious_Pie_8716
What a dumb article. Maybe next he could make the bold argument of how Chicago were the true winners of the draft lottery.
iggyisgoat
It’s been 1 season lol. Huberdeau’s extension hasn’t even started yet.
Let’s not forget the Panthers were literally one loss away from missing the playoffs entirely and finished behind the Flames in the standings.
Comfortable-Ad-7158
A guy wanting out and ready for a trade vs a guy who played a decade for the same team that drafted him then got blindsided by a trade.
THW really have some shit takes
BlackFalconEscalator
Tkachuk is happy where he is. He wasn’t going to resign here. It would have been a shame to let him walk.
brokensword15
No fucking shit
But also our hand was forced so not much else we could’ve done
Straight-Plate-5256
As of right now yes, but it’s still too early overall.
Weegar is showing signs of being a solid top pairing guy with us
Huby I suspect will likely bounce back next year (save your overpaid bum comments, idgaf)
Schwindt looks like he could end up being a decent bottom/ middle 6 C for us in a year or two
Obviously Tkachuk hit another level in Florida and they’re making a solid push but considering he requested a trade and everyone knew tre got us a really damn solid return out of it considering we should’ve had way less leverage, he had no way of knowing how rough of an adjustment season huberdeau was going to have or how frustrating the season was going to be as a whole. Give it another year or two and it could still end up a win-win trade
ElectricMoose
Let’s see how we do under a new coach
jonos360
If we win the cup next year and Florida doesn’t win the ECF this year, will people still say this?
Too early to judge. I wish we still had Chucky too, but he didn’t want to be here.
robbhope
The Flames « won » that trade the moment it was made. They had 3 teams he was willing to stay with long term. Treliving had an ownership group over his head refusing to let him take a « rebuild » package despite him asking to repeatedly. This has been hinted at by numerous people on the Fan including Steinberg whom I trust.
The package we received for Chucky was as good as we could have ever hoped for. Sutter destroying Huberdeau’s chances at success doesn’t change that.
Nativejoel
If Florida wins the cup. And we don’t. They may have outright won the trade.
If they win soon and then we win next year. A even trade
They don’t win, and we do. We win.
If we both don’t win. Florida probably had the better end. Getting a prime Tkachuk who has proven himself to be a superstar.
tristan1616
I mean our coach basically sabotaged the entire season and it just so happened to be his first with us. I’ll hold my judgement for maybe two more years to see how he does with a new coach but after that his performance falls on him imo
WhoJustShat
Hindsight is always 20/20, Matthew wanted out Brad did the absolute best he could considering the season Hubey had, win or loose the trade its better than letting him go for nothing.
pforsbergfan9
You can’t say a team lost a trade one year into it. You can’t really make that judgement call until really all players and assets are retired. Sure Calgary thought it would help right away… but Florida could win the cup this year and Calgary could win it next year with Huby leading the charge. Who won the trade then?
Longjumping-Limit827
Give it at least another season before saying that ya dink
Correct-Boat-8981
Both teams won this trade. Florida won for obvious reasons, Calgary won because they got significant assets for a guy who wasn’t going to sign. In a situation where the team is handcuffed to get what they can for a player, the Flames did well to get as much as they did. There’s too much emphasis on Huberdeau, who can still bounce back. People forget the Flames also got Weegar in that trade, who’s been solid, and Schwindt who’s been key for the Wranglers and has a future with the big club.
HardButter
So Calgary would have got nothing if he did a JG. So getting anything above nothing is a win. Other stupid articles they could have written about Flames –
Flames lose 1st Round draft pick by statistics.
Why Calgary has never got a WC spot in the Atlantic division.
Flames have not won any games in the 23/24 season, what we think is wrong.
JG trade was a win for Calgary.
milkisforbabies666
Lost it this year. Huby has a never level he never got to under Sutter. I expect huge bounce back year
andy_055
It’s hilarious how some people call Huberdeau a bust after one off season. Coming into the season he was 2nd in assists and 4th n points in 4 seasons combined. This is obviously the off year when basically the entire flames team struggled to score. As a playmaker you rely on your teammates actually hitting the net and scoring. Tons of posts and missed nets on grade a chances. Still played above his contract value and easily will rebound next year with a new offence forward coach/gm and proper linemates and usage. Then weegar who was one of best defensive defenceman in league. Will also benefit greatly with offence forward coach/gm. Tkachuk was going to leave, had very limited teams to trade with. Perfect example of a win/win trade
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Depends on your perspective. Tkachuk could have signed the qualifying offer, played a season, and left for nothing. While they underperformed, the Flames got a good return for 1 season worth of Matthew Tkachuk.
Edit: in my opinion, the mistake was not flipping Huberdeau and Weegar. Both were on great contracts with one year remaining and would have gotten a haul in young players, prospects, and draft picks. We have heard that there was a debate on whether to rebuild or push forward last season, and I think this was a consequence of continuing to remain competitive.
I don’t think it is unrealistic to say that the Flames could have turned Tkachuk into 3 first round draft picks, a couple mid tier prospects, and change.
No shit
ALRIGHT WE GET IT WE FUCKED UP I DONT NEED A CONSTANT REMINDER
Hube underperformed for sure but the team seemed fragmented (coaching issue?) and never had chemistry (I miss the purple gatorade days 🙁 ). I don’t know if it’s completely his fault but ya obviously we lost the trade.
Yes.
Panthers may have won the trade….after the first year. Like all trades, it takes time for the dust to settle to determine “a winner”. Let’s talk again in a few years.
Hub has the ability to bounce back. Will the contract age well? No! Weeger is a top pairing D- Man locked up long term at a good salary. Yes we lost a great player in Chucky, we also gained a 2nd line LW and a top pairing D. Still a few years before we can evaluate who won or not.
We lost the trade in the short term. But in the longer term, who knows. Tkachuk plays a style that can shorten a player’s career. So maybe we lost the trade now but let’s see what happens.
But I agree flipping for picks and younger players would have been a better move. Except Sutter would not have agreed with that and we all now how dysfunctional the Flames have been this past year
Thank you captain obvious
THW bringing that cutting edge analysis.
Let’s talk after this season with a new coach and hub hopefully playing on his proper wing the whole year. I’m optimistic of next season see who we get as coach /gm.
There is so much term in this deal that we really can’t say. Not to mention other moving parts.
It’s a dynamic comparison that will probably ebb and flow.
**Trade happened:** unanimous flames win
**End of season:** unanimous Florida win
**Next season:** ??
**The heat death of the universe:** everyone loses
It’s not looking good right now with chucky tearing it up, but give Huberdeau just 1 above 70 point season next year and I’d put it back to a « wash » status.
I think I want to see Huberdeau on his main wing for more than a quarter of the season before saying we lost the trade
What a dumb article. Maybe next he could make the bold argument of how Chicago were the true winners of the draft lottery.
It’s been 1 season lol. Huberdeau’s extension hasn’t even started yet.
Let’s not forget the Panthers were literally one loss away from missing the playoffs entirely and finished behind the Flames in the standings.
A guy wanting out and ready for a trade vs a guy who played a decade for the same team that drafted him then got blindsided by a trade.
THW really have some shit takes
Tkachuk is happy where he is. He wasn’t going to resign here. It would have been a shame to let him walk.
No fucking shit
But also our hand was forced so not much else we could’ve done
As of right now yes, but it’s still too early overall.
Weegar is showing signs of being a solid top pairing guy with us
Huby I suspect will likely bounce back next year (save your overpaid bum comments, idgaf)
Schwindt looks like he could end up being a decent bottom/ middle 6 C for us in a year or two
Obviously Tkachuk hit another level in Florida and they’re making a solid push but considering he requested a trade and everyone knew tre got us a really damn solid return out of it considering we should’ve had way less leverage, he had no way of knowing how rough of an adjustment season huberdeau was going to have or how frustrating the season was going to be as a whole. Give it another year or two and it could still end up a win-win trade
Let’s see how we do under a new coach
If we win the cup next year and Florida doesn’t win the ECF this year, will people still say this?
Too early to judge. I wish we still had Chucky too, but he didn’t want to be here.
The Flames « won » that trade the moment it was made. They had 3 teams he was willing to stay with long term. Treliving had an ownership group over his head refusing to let him take a « rebuild » package despite him asking to repeatedly. This has been hinted at by numerous people on the Fan including Steinberg whom I trust.
The package we received for Chucky was as good as we could have ever hoped for. Sutter destroying Huberdeau’s chances at success doesn’t change that.
If Florida wins the cup. And we don’t. They may have outright won the trade.
If they win soon and then we win next year. A even trade
They don’t win, and we do. We win.
If we both don’t win. Florida probably had the better end. Getting a prime Tkachuk who has proven himself to be a superstar.
I mean our coach basically sabotaged the entire season and it just so happened to be his first with us. I’ll hold my judgement for maybe two more years to see how he does with a new coach but after that his performance falls on him imo
Hindsight is always 20/20, Matthew wanted out Brad did the absolute best he could considering the season Hubey had, win or loose the trade its better than letting him go for nothing.
You can’t say a team lost a trade one year into it. You can’t really make that judgement call until really all players and assets are retired. Sure Calgary thought it would help right away… but Florida could win the cup this year and Calgary could win it next year with Huby leading the charge. Who won the trade then?
Give it at least another season before saying that ya dink
Both teams won this trade. Florida won for obvious reasons, Calgary won because they got significant assets for a guy who wasn’t going to sign. In a situation where the team is handcuffed to get what they can for a player, the Flames did well to get as much as they did. There’s too much emphasis on Huberdeau, who can still bounce back. People forget the Flames also got Weegar in that trade, who’s been solid, and Schwindt who’s been key for the Wranglers and has a future with the big club.
So Calgary would have got nothing if he did a JG. So getting anything above nothing is a win. Other stupid articles they could have written about Flames –
Flames lose 1st Round draft pick by statistics.
Why Calgary has never got a WC spot in the Atlantic division.
Flames have not won any games in the 23/24 season, what we think is wrong.
JG trade was a win for Calgary.
Lost it this year. Huby has a never level he never got to under Sutter. I expect huge bounce back year
It’s hilarious how some people call Huberdeau a bust after one off season. Coming into the season he was 2nd in assists and 4th n points in 4 seasons combined. This is obviously the off year when basically the entire flames team struggled to score. As a playmaker you rely on your teammates actually hitting the net and scoring. Tons of posts and missed nets on grade a chances. Still played above his contract value and easily will rebound next year with a new offence forward coach/gm and proper linemates and usage. Then weegar who was one of best defensive defenceman in league. Will also benefit greatly with offence forward coach/gm. Tkachuk was going to leave, had very limited teams to trade with. Perfect example of a win/win trade