Every gm make moves… we as fans want to see actual on-ice results
PaperMoonShine
I hate to be this guy, but a vast majority of the deals on free agency this year were 1 year deals. It’s a special offseason where the next offseason cap is going to spike.
So…… we still can’t definitively say his free agency signing are a lock 100%.
Angry_beaver_1867
the problem with assessing Alvin’s performance is the only measurable goals this team has set is
1) make the playoffs – I think they are a bubble team. They make if demko can handle a starter work load and plays well all season. They miss if he doesn’t. They are better than last season though.
2) win championships which they obviously aren’t a championship contender and the oel buyout arguably makes this more difficult over the rest of the decade due to how cap efficient cap teams have become.
So in terms of those goals. This off season is a bit of a push. They likely mortgaged championship potential at the end of the decade in exchange for playoff possibilities today.
Quick edit : the odds a championship this decade or the early 2030s were always slim but this offseason made them more remote
notarealredditor69
I think it’s important to recognize what teams these players came from as well.
Romance_Tactics
The absence of a negative is a low bar win for us but it’s more than just this free agency that inspires faith in Allvin for me.
They’ve put a lot of faith and emphasis on Abbotsford to be a path to the Canucks. That’s critical. We need prospects and fringe guys to come through the AHL to develop properly. It’s hard to qualify how important the change in attitude from the Benning/Green era to the Allvin/Bruce+Rick has been for this whole organization in terms of proper development.
electricnux
It’s a good sign that they can be conservative with the money and actually used OEL’s space to get 3 players addressing our needs.
But until the team shows they’re built to at least make the playoffs it’s hard to not over-analyze everything. A happier fan base doesn’t freak out about 3M signings, but for us these past 2 years have been miserable, full of useless drama on and off the ice, we need to turn this around at some point or nothing has changed.
HanSolo5643
My faith will be restored when we start seeing some on ice results.
JerbearCuddles
The moves on paper are solid, but the thing is. Every move on paper looks good. We’ll see how it plays out. I am still of the mindset we should have just sacked last season. Don’t make that Mikheyev signing, make the same Bo Horvat trade but don’t trade the pick for Hronek, and have one really solid draft.
Then start making moves to be a playoff team. As it is now, I really just feel like we’re gonna be Minnesota. Solid middle of the road team. Not a true contender, not a true tanker. When you have no draft picks. You really, REALLY, have to hope the few picks you do have either meet expectations or surpass them. That’s unrealistic.
Or you hope you get a bunch of star players that want to play for your franchise like the NYR. Which also isn’t realistic for most Canadian teams.
SkidmarkDave
Soucy is risky for me. Guy played 20+ minutes only twice last season for Seattle. He averaged 16:18TOI in 78 games. That’s like Ben Hutton, Luke Schenn, Stecher, Mike Reilly range. Felt we came in a bit high on term and aav. Would love to eat crow on this though
MustardSpaghetti
Did we lose Lockwood
brandedwaffle
Get playoffs than Ill have confidence. As it stand they just signed a 3rd liner and two number 6 dmen. Those moves dont move the needle much. Now theyre over the cap again with Pearson coming back.
___O_____
I’ll have confidence when they don’t shit the bed right out of the gate and get basically eliminated by American thanksgiving.
Allvin brought in a few interesting players that’ll improve PK and defensive efforts. But I’ll believe it when I see it at this point.
– Confidence = No
– Intrigue = Yes
Jupiter_101
The forward group and core are largely the same. I don’t see any reason to expect a different result.
Wabblepop
I’ve been a fan for over 30 years, this year I lost all interest in the team and didn’t watch a single game. I actually paid more attention to what Seattle was doing than the Canucks. This does give me a little hope but I still have reservations as long as aquaman is in charge.
Redlight0516
We’ve been hurt too many times
In all seriousness, the moves are all fairly low risk although I worry a little about small sample size with Soucy. Betting on a guy who didn’t play big minutes against great competition to be that guy is a gamble for sure. How many times have we seen a time buy high on one good playoff stretch for the guy to then return to being the player he’s always been?
The draft…seems like a mixed bag of drafting for need rather than best player available, not that that’s ever come back to prove to be a terrible strategy and then some pretty off the board picks…not that I trust the board that much. So yeah, as others have said, how bout we wait to see things on the ice before we decide?
howpanda
Inspire is a strong word.
mudflaps___
gotta say he did a good job and I think we are 1 step out of the massive hole we were in.
MikaelDerp
I have no confidence in anyone until I see what the product on the ice looks like after the first few weeks of the season. We’ve seen « good » moves in the past that look like things are looking up and then it always winds up with a poor and stale outcome during the season.
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To be fair the bar was pretty damn low
Every gm make moves… we as fans want to see actual on-ice results
I hate to be this guy, but a vast majority of the deals on free agency this year were 1 year deals. It’s a special offseason where the next offseason cap is going to spike.
So…… we still can’t definitively say his free agency signing are a lock 100%.
the problem with assessing Alvin’s performance is the only measurable goals this team has set is
1) make the playoffs – I think they are a bubble team. They make if demko can handle a starter work load and plays well all season. They miss if he doesn’t. They are better than last season though.
2) win championships which they obviously aren’t a championship contender and the oel buyout arguably makes this more difficult over the rest of the decade due to how cap efficient cap teams have become.
So in terms of those goals. This off season is a bit of a push. They likely mortgaged championship potential at the end of the decade in exchange for playoff possibilities today.
Quick edit : the odds a championship this decade or the early 2030s were always slim but this offseason made them more remote
I think it’s important to recognize what teams these players came from as well.
The absence of a negative is a low bar win for us but it’s more than just this free agency that inspires faith in Allvin for me.
They’ve put a lot of faith and emphasis on Abbotsford to be a path to the Canucks. That’s critical. We need prospects and fringe guys to come through the AHL to develop properly. It’s hard to qualify how important the change in attitude from the Benning/Green era to the Allvin/Bruce+Rick has been for this whole organization in terms of proper development.
It’s a good sign that they can be conservative with the money and actually used OEL’s space to get 3 players addressing our needs.
But until the team shows they’re built to at least make the playoffs it’s hard to not over-analyze everything. A happier fan base doesn’t freak out about 3M signings, but for us these past 2 years have been miserable, full of useless drama on and off the ice, we need to turn this around at some point or nothing has changed.
My faith will be restored when we start seeing some on ice results.
The moves on paper are solid, but the thing is. Every move on paper looks good. We’ll see how it plays out. I am still of the mindset we should have just sacked last season. Don’t make that Mikheyev signing, make the same Bo Horvat trade but don’t trade the pick for Hronek, and have one really solid draft.
Then start making moves to be a playoff team. As it is now, I really just feel like we’re gonna be Minnesota. Solid middle of the road team. Not a true contender, not a true tanker. When you have no draft picks. You really, REALLY, have to hope the few picks you do have either meet expectations or surpass them. That’s unrealistic.
Or you hope you get a bunch of star players that want to play for your franchise like the NYR. Which also isn’t realistic for most Canadian teams.
Soucy is risky for me. Guy played 20+ minutes only twice last season for Seattle. He averaged 16:18TOI in 78 games. That’s like Ben Hutton, Luke Schenn, Stecher, Mike Reilly range. Felt we came in a bit high on term and aav. Would love to eat crow on this though
Did we lose Lockwood
Get playoffs than Ill have confidence. As it stand they just signed a 3rd liner and two number 6 dmen. Those moves dont move the needle much. Now theyre over the cap again with Pearson coming back.
I’ll have confidence when they don’t shit the bed right out of the gate and get basically eliminated by American thanksgiving.
Allvin brought in a few interesting players that’ll improve PK and defensive efforts. But I’ll believe it when I see it at this point.
– Confidence = No
– Intrigue = Yes
The forward group and core are largely the same. I don’t see any reason to expect a different result.
I’ve been a fan for over 30 years, this year I lost all interest in the team and didn’t watch a single game. I actually paid more attention to what Seattle was doing than the Canucks. This does give me a little hope but I still have reservations as long as aquaman is in charge.
We’ve been hurt too many times
In all seriousness, the moves are all fairly low risk although I worry a little about small sample size with Soucy. Betting on a guy who didn’t play big minutes against great competition to be that guy is a gamble for sure. How many times have we seen a time buy high on one good playoff stretch for the guy to then return to being the player he’s always been?
The draft…seems like a mixed bag of drafting for need rather than best player available, not that that’s ever come back to prove to be a terrible strategy and then some pretty off the board picks…not that I trust the board that much. So yeah, as others have said, how bout we wait to see things on the ice before we decide?
Inspire is a strong word.
gotta say he did a good job and I think we are 1 step out of the massive hole we were in.
I have no confidence in anyone until I see what the product on the ice looks like after the first few weeks of the season. We’ve seen « good » moves in the past that look like things are looking up and then it always winds up with a poor and stale outcome during the season.