oh well, in real time the linesmen couldn’t tell and it took multiple reply angles to prove it, so it’s not like it was egregious
The_Shredder_1988
To be fair, in this picture the puck is also across the line lol.
I’m more upset that that shit goes in than this call
Kommatiazo
This is probably the most 50/50 offside call I’ve ever seen. Lose-lose for the refs. You can’t really see where the puck is on the critical frame and the one before it’s offside and the next it’s onside. So you can assume where it is in between but has to be conclusive. Jets fans would be raging with just as much justification if they overturned it imo
oh well. great kill afterwards. onward and upward.
roofilopolis
I’m shocked at the lack of technology to get a frame as he’s passed the line. You can clearly see he’s off if he’s more than the entire stick we can see, past the blue line
It’s like watch a fucking gas station CCTV.
argos101
As an avs fan, you can’t even see the puck in this photo. Lol
Ya_Got_GOT
There’s no reason for human beings to call offsides at all. Easily solved precisely every single time with tech.
Hi_Flyers
I do think it was offside but the main issue is that in the last frame where he’s on-side he’s got a tiny bit of his skate keeping him on-side while the puck is completely outside the line and then the next frame the puck is just barely in while his skate is a foot past the line. So you can tell he definitely got in just barely offsides but there’s no single frame where the puck is out and he’s in to prove it. Either way, this is the kind of ticky-tack offsides BS that I hate the challenge rule gets used for, so whatever.
Vivid_Walk_1405
How does the nhl have such dog shit cameras
For_Perpetuity
How the fuck in 2024 do they not have a way to see the blueline from all angles.
HerrHamil
I think the linesman blocked the cam from the other side. Toronto also has way more views to look at that we don’t get to see, but I thought it was offsides too, although it was really close to 50/50
EDIT: biz just said on TNT that the camera is on top of the glass so I was wrong and now I’m wondering as well why we didn’t get that view…
Biskotheq
They need a top down camera on the blue line
Mackinnon29E
You can buy a better camera for under $5 on fucking Temu or some shit. What the fuck, NHL……..
if you watch frame by frame, the puck is that little black dot on the heel of the blade, still on the blue line.
(that being said, suuuuuuper ticky tack offsides calls suck and I’m fine with it standing, so long as we don’t get fucked the opposite way sometime later)
SergeantFlip
I genuinely think there’s no way on this evidence to overturn, but neither can you confirm that it’s the right call. I think in this situation, a delay of game penalty is not fair. That penalty should only happen when you can confirm the call on the ice was correct.
KenDurf
Or, i don’t know, a camera in the rafters 🤷♂️
Lifebringer7
Yeah the cameras screwed up here. Hope they install better ones because what’s the point of review if at the end of the day, you’re just gonna say, “sorry, can’t assume the position of anything and the critical object can’t be observed?”
Higherspeed76
The offside challenge rule needs to be changed. It should be only full speed replay reviews, no slow motion replay. This way egregious offsides could be corrected but these stupid frame by frame offsides that don’t actually impact the scoring play can go away.
RaiderMike824
It’s gotta be 100% to overturn. I’d be absolutely fuming if the roles were reversed and the refs overturned that for us. Let’s be real. Tough call but a good one.
new_nimmerzz
Its literally the definition of inconclusive…
manbeqrpig
Do you see a puck? I don’t so ya it’s inconclusive
ChunkyB
Based on this photo, yes. It’s very inconclusive 😂
endless_8888
Regular season the goal would have been pulled. I promise.
Regular season MacKinnon wouldn’t have got that interference call either. Just playoff stuff, and weird to see at home.
Oh well.
cjwclarke
Eh…. Makar has gotten away with worse.
daishi777
I’m fine with it standing. Needs to be absolutely conclusive, this wasnt
stoneman9284
lol that looks pretty inconclusive to me you can’t even see the puck if you zoom in
EducationalPlay6269
You’d think they’d be able to afford some camera with the money they make from their betting partnerships
Bing-bong-pong-dong
The puck was on the front of his blade so I think it’s closer than most think. Wish they had more angles to stitch together though, it’s kind of embarrassing when you have to just guess on one of these.
2ChainzTalib
I’m okay with it as they didn’t have a definitive look at the puck. I look at it as if I’d be raging if they took it away from my team I need to be okay with them leaving it with the other team.
I’m more upset that a doorbell camera has greater resolution than whatever they’re using, but honestly if we need a million frames per second to catch it, it’s probably not making that much of a difference.
psychotar
It’s easy for me to say now when I’m finally seeing this after the game is over, but this is the exact Zapruder film bullshit I don’t agree with in the first place. Stopping play to frame-by-frame this thing ruins the spirit of the game IMO.
Moose701
Here’s the thing, they called it a goal on the ice. There needs to be absolute clear and concise evidence the other way in order to overturn that call. To me, I can’t even see where the puck is on the other side of the ice. Yes, you can clearly see the skater over the blue line but that’s about it.
Personally, I think it’s a stupid fucking rule and a lame play to challenge, regardless if we would’ve benefitted from it. How does a player an inch or 2 offsides have any bearing on this play? Most of the time it’s a zone entry and a team scores 10-20 seconds later. It’s just stupid. Thanks Dutchy.
Absolutely horse shit call. Why even have replay if you can’t get something like this right?
HealthyScratch210226
NHL blue line cameras are potatoes
Ordinary_Aioli_7602
Lmao I was listening on the radio, didn’t get a visual til now. Shoulda been a shutout.
golieman99
Don’t they already make the distinction of the call on the ice stands or is upheld? If it stands because they can prove offsides/goalie interference then there should be no penalty. If the call is upheld because there was obviously no offsides then it should be a penalty.
smk0341
We still won
lightsout5477
Hockey gods made their judgement. Avs won.
Front_Economy_7766
The play was almost certainly offsides, but somehow in 2024 we can still have missing camera angles, you can’t actually see the puck
atrac059
Avs play a man down because the NHL didn’t invest in a 2nd camera lol
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oh well, in real time the linesmen couldn’t tell and it took multiple reply angles to prove it, so it’s not like it was egregious
To be fair, in this picture the puck is also across the line lol.
I’m more upset that that shit goes in than this call
This is probably the most 50/50 offside call I’ve ever seen. Lose-lose for the refs. You can’t really see where the puck is on the critical frame and the one before it’s offside and the next it’s onside. So you can assume where it is in between but has to be conclusive. Jets fans would be raging with just as much justification if they overturned it imo
oh well. great kill afterwards. onward and upward.
I’m shocked at the lack of technology to get a frame as he’s passed the line. You can clearly see he’s off if he’s more than the entire stick we can see, past the blue line
It’s like watch a fucking gas station CCTV.
As an avs fan, you can’t even see the puck in this photo. Lol
There’s no reason for human beings to call offsides at all. Easily solved precisely every single time with tech.
I do think it was offside but the main issue is that in the last frame where he’s on-side he’s got a tiny bit of his skate keeping him on-side while the puck is completely outside the line and then the next frame the puck is just barely in while his skate is a foot past the line. So you can tell he definitely got in just barely offsides but there’s no single frame where the puck is out and he’s in to prove it. Either way, this is the kind of ticky-tack offsides BS that I hate the challenge rule gets used for, so whatever.
How does the nhl have such dog shit cameras
How the fuck in 2024 do they not have a way to see the blueline from all angles.
I think the linesman blocked the cam from the other side. Toronto also has way more views to look at that we don’t get to see, but I thought it was offsides too, although it was really close to 50/50
EDIT: biz just said on TNT that the camera is on top of the glass so I was wrong and now I’m wondering as well why we didn’t get that view…
They need a top down camera on the blue line
You can buy a better camera for under $5 on fucking Temu or some shit. What the fuck, NHL……..
why does your screenshot look so fuzzy?
https://i.imgur.com/xNMlT7d.png
if you watch frame by frame, the puck is that little black dot on the heel of the blade, still on the blue line.
(that being said, suuuuuuper ticky tack offsides calls suck and I’m fine with it standing, so long as we don’t get fucked the opposite way sometime later)
I genuinely think there’s no way on this evidence to overturn, but neither can you confirm that it’s the right call. I think in this situation, a delay of game penalty is not fair. That penalty should only happen when you can confirm the call on the ice was correct.
Or, i don’t know, a camera in the rafters 🤷♂️
Yeah the cameras screwed up here. Hope they install better ones because what’s the point of review if at the end of the day, you’re just gonna say, “sorry, can’t assume the position of anything and the critical object can’t be observed?”
The offside challenge rule needs to be changed. It should be only full speed replay reviews, no slow motion replay. This way egregious offsides could be corrected but these stupid frame by frame offsides that don’t actually impact the scoring play can go away.
It’s gotta be 100% to overturn. I’d be absolutely fuming if the roles were reversed and the refs overturned that for us. Let’s be real. Tough call but a good one.
Its literally the definition of inconclusive…
Do you see a puck? I don’t so ya it’s inconclusive
Based on this photo, yes. It’s very inconclusive 😂
Regular season the goal would have been pulled. I promise.
Regular season MacKinnon wouldn’t have got that interference call either. Just playoff stuff, and weird to see at home.
Oh well.
Eh…. Makar has gotten away with worse.
I’m fine with it standing. Needs to be absolutely conclusive, this wasnt
lol that looks pretty inconclusive to me you can’t even see the puck if you zoom in
You’d think they’d be able to afford some camera with the money they make from their betting partnerships
The puck was on the front of his blade so I think it’s closer than most think. Wish they had more angles to stitch together though, it’s kind of embarrassing when you have to just guess on one of these.
I’m okay with it as they didn’t have a definitive look at the puck. I look at it as if I’d be raging if they took it away from my team I need to be okay with them leaving it with the other team.
I’m more upset that a doorbell camera has greater resolution than whatever they’re using, but honestly if we need a million frames per second to catch it, it’s probably not making that much of a difference.
It’s easy for me to say now when I’m finally seeing this after the game is over, but this is the exact Zapruder film bullshit I don’t agree with in the first place. Stopping play to frame-by-frame this thing ruins the spirit of the game IMO.
Here’s the thing, they called it a goal on the ice. There needs to be absolute clear and concise evidence the other way in order to overturn that call. To me, I can’t even see where the puck is on the other side of the ice. Yes, you can clearly see the skater over the blue line but that’s about it.
Personally, I think it’s a stupid fucking rule and a lame play to challenge, regardless if we would’ve benefitted from it. How does a player an inch or 2 offsides have any bearing on this play? Most of the time it’s a zone entry and a team scores 10-20 seconds later. It’s just stupid. Thanks Dutchy.
https://preview.redd.it/p4yo1xi0raxc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33595d38afcf6942e9932daa2cdd87a3ec33c119
Need 4K, 1 Million FPS cameras.
Absolutely horse shit call. Why even have replay if you can’t get something like this right?
NHL blue line cameras are potatoes
Lmao I was listening on the radio, didn’t get a visual til now. Shoulda been a shutout.
Don’t they already make the distinction of the call on the ice stands or is upheld? If it stands because they can prove offsides/goalie interference then there should be no penalty. If the call is upheld because there was obviously no offsides then it should be a penalty.
We still won
Hockey gods made their judgement. Avs won.
The play was almost certainly offsides, but somehow in 2024 we can still have missing camera angles, you can’t actually see the puck
Avs play a man down because the NHL didn’t invest in a 2nd camera lol