Si le premier n’est pas une pénalité, le second ne devrait certainement pas l’être. S’il faut appeler ce dernier un contrôle croisé, alors le coup sûr sur Jarvis doit être appelé. Je veux juste de la cohérence, c’est tout.
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canesjerk
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I normally hate when people complain about the refs, especially when it’s my own teams fan base crying when we’re losing when 99% of the time it’s not on the refs. But the canes were robbed last night. Ever since that hit on Igor happened it felt like New york was getting all the calls. Yet their fans still had the audacity to cry about missed icing calls lol.
Fuck the rags.
Yeah. Neither was a penalty.
Neither are penalties
The Hurricanes had two PPs in OT. Of course the next call was going to go against them. The refs don’t want to be seen as only giving one team the PPs in OT.
I mean…not to nit pick, but if you were going to complain about a non-call, maybe show the vid of Trouba going full hit stick, face first into the boards? I’d go with that one rather than the love tap to the guy in front of the net…. just sayin…
Could have just as easily been a trip
Its easy AF to call a clean game from up high, looking down at the ice with perfect sight lines to all 10 guys. Refs don’t always have a clean look or right angle at every play.
Stop bitchin about refs.
What I’ve noticed is that it seems to be the extension of the arms that determines the call. In the first example, his arms were only extended after the stick had already made contact, making it more of a shove, while in the second, the stick makes contact at the peak extension of his arms.
Just my observation throughout the season.
When Lindholm did that vs Nashville, it was a crosschecking penalty. I would love some consistency…
The primary reason for calling the penalty that resulted in the gwg is that it resulted in a scoring opportunity going the other way. Would have been a break or 2 on 1. It’s not how hard the cross check is. You can get away with all kinds of shots like that in a corner scrum but when it directly creates a scoring chance (or takes one away) it’s gonna get called. That’s playoff hockey 101.
If the ref doesn’t call it and the canes break in 2 on 1 and score then the ref changed the game with a non-call of a textbook cross check. So there’s people complaining either way. AND you’re rewarding/encouraging using a cross check to create a scoring opportunity. That’s why in that situation the ref will almost never let it go. You can’t compare it to a cross check in a completely different situation (like in the video above where the shot was already taken).
This isn’t something new.
2nd one was a penalty but it was a trip not a crosscheck.
What happened to the days where playoffs had hardly any calls unless egregious? What were there 12+ penalties last night? Ridiculous
Rangers and bruins will get a few more calls than canes and panthers no doubt
I’ve seen worse than that let go in beer league
consistency is for fools. refs like feel.
Cross checking is not called in front of the net. During battles in the crease and board battles, you can cross check within reason and it’s not a penalty. Hockey penalties (for better or worse) are not black and white and rather are called depending on certain contexts. It’s been this way for as long as I’ve been a a fan.
Quit whining – such a soft fan base
It’s striking versus pushing.
If I’m not mistaken you can use your stick to push someone out of the way in front of the net. You can’t strike them though, as in push through the air and then hit them and follow through. That’s a cross check.
If your stick starts on their body and then you push its allowed.
The second play appears to be striking, while the first more of a push.
I’m not a ref but this is what I remember reading somewhere.
There are different spots on the ice where the same action will result in different calls.
In front of the net? Cross check away. Unlikely it will be called. In the corner? Have at it.
But out in open ice? It’s more likely to be called. Kind of like how in football if you hold someone at the line of scrimmage you’re more likely to get away with it than if you hold someone 10 yards downfield. Or in basketball how you can bang around more under the basket than you can at midcourt.
Plus, as others have noted, it was going to result in a scoring opportunity for the canes which even further ups the chances of it being called.
A cross check is not just a cross check.
Far be it from me to justify reffing, not at all my intention, and I also would like some consistency. But just some context or reminders if you will, the biggest thing here is where each check takes place and the opportunity from them. Anyone who’s watched hockey knows that battles near the front of the net have a lot more let go. Where as there near the blue line which would lead to a near breakaway are reffed completely different. Not saying I like it, or that I think it’s right. One of the biggest problems with hockey is that every single rule except maybe puck over glass is subjective to what the ref thinks in the moment. I wish everywhere on the ice, and no matter what has happened in the game, that the calls were the same calls all the time – but they just aren’t.
The entire officials organization needs a rework.
Watching your clip, I mean I could literally take any hockey game and the calls will be all over the place.
It’s sad when they can’t seem to get consistency, specially in such a large organization.
I dunno man…. We sit out here on our computers, watch clip after clip on replay… Slow the shit down and dissect hits frame by frame… And we’re still at each other’s throats arguing about if something was a penalty or not.
We have this perspective that officiating is supposed to keep the playing field 50/50. And if that’s our goal, we’ll forever be disappointed because it’s literally unachievable.
But I don’t even think that should be the goal. They should just be there enough to make sure one team doesn’t roll over the other like it’s Tianenmen Square.
Sure, every fan can point to games they got hosed on 2 or 3 calls. But we don’t keep track of the ones we got away with.
Canes fans whining about refs is fantastic
They called Goodrow on a cross check in regulation that was about the same severity as the one Skjei got called for.
In the first one, Jarvis sells the cross check to get the call. In the second, the Rangers fan does not appear to sell it (DOES NOT APPEAR – don’t bother responding to this if you’re going to argue this point). Although it is a weak ass call and looks more like the Rangers player lost his footing. But I only have the one angle and we don’t have it in slo-mo like we do the first play.
If you don’t agree with me, fine, but the other thing to consider is that there’s never been consistency in how hockey games are called. Especially in the playoffs. The refs do as much game management as anything else, so it means they’ll call some obvious penalties, they’ll let other obvious penalties go and they’ll call bullshit just to offset other bullshit calls they made. Tim Peel wasn’t just speaking for himself [when he got caught on that hot mic](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nhl-fires-referee-tim-peel-after-hot-mic-captures-him-n1261954). It’s been the dirty little secret of the league for as long as I can remember, but probably goes back to the radio days. You just have to hope it’s your team that benefits from the game management.
Through 2 games in the series:
Each team has 12 penalties resulting in 24 penalty minutes.
The Canes have had 10 power plays and the Rangers 9.
The only inconsistency is that the Rangers are 4-for-9 on those power plays and the Canes are 0-for-10.
There is inconsistent officiating in every game. The game moves extremely fast and the refs don’t always have the best angle to see something. And they certainly don’t have the benefit of watching replays on TV (aside from plays that are reviewed of course). They also don’t have homer announcers in their ear persuading them that it was a penalty or not a penalty.
Every team will have calls or non-calls that go their way and calls or non-calls that will go the other way. There is no conspiracy theory. Hockey is a tough game to official and NHL refs are heavily scrutinized for their calls and non-calls by the league for every game that they work. Every call from every game is evaluated and every referee’s performance is tracked.
Yeah it can be frustrating. But it’s frustrating for every team and every fan and you just gotta play through it.
Rangers have taken advantage of their power plays. Canes have not. That’s the only difference that matters when it comes to officiating.
It’s simple, the NHL is a poorly run league that has a different post season rulebook focused so much on competitive outcomes it sacrifices a fair and transparent product
Not the league if you’re looking for consistency bud
One of these is a lot more severe than the other…
Yeah IDK what the league is trying to do with crosschecking this season and beyond. It seemed like earlier in the season they were calling crosschecks like this, but as the season continued, maybe sometime around the allstar break, the calls stopped being made.
It’s maddening.
I agree, it was wild that was called at the end but right in front of the net earlier it was not. Officiating is nonsense now
The cross check on canes player has no bearing on the play–rangers goaltender has it covered. Cross check on rangers player changed the entire dynamic from rangers pressing in canes zone, to canes having offensive opportunity. Give your head a shake.
IDGAF about either of these teams, but these were the right calls.
After the shot vs. before the shot, which would lead to scoring opportunity other direction.
One is tough hockey, the other is cheating to materially impact the game.
I think you might feel better if it was called as a trip, which was the real impact.
As a sabres fan i saw my players get called for some terrible crosschecks while also getting hit viciously for no calls, some games vs florida this year come to mind in particular.
I think any action whether pushing or striking with the stick should be illegal, thats my opinion and I know most people disagree but as someone who plays hockey and gets crosschecked in the dirty areas it fucking hurts, I wish it would just be taken out of the game entirely bc it is impossible to prepare for a crosscheck to the small of the back and you always fall over. Why cant you win with good body position, anchoring, playing leverages and skating? You cant anchor down someone’s stick or lift it either? It’s just a greasy move to jam a stick into someone like that. Win with skating, size and positioning not carbon fiber…
Cry
First cross check didn’t really affect the play and second cross check directly created a potential scoring chance and changed the game in ot
Also at the point where the canes are 0 for 10 including 2 powerplays in ot the focus should probably be introspective and not on the refs
Officiating is what it is but maybe pick a bone with your Power Play going 0/5. Canes had 8 people on the ice game 1 and no call was made. Officiating is gonna miss some it’s the nature of all sports. The team has to perform with opportunities given which the Canes didn’t do. Also Igor was out of his mind so that didn’t help the cause either for them.
Lol he got cross checked from in front of the goalie to the boards 💀
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I won’t excuse one over the other but I WILL bet hard cash the refs were less inclined to penalize aggressive play around the Ranger net after Svechnikov’s ill-advised (moronic) check on Sheterkin earlier.