La première journée a été une course serrée entre Ek et Brodin. Qui est, selon vous, le plus surestimé ici pour la deuxième journée ?
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Ok-Curve5569
@Wild du Minnesota
La première journée a été une course serrée entre Ek et Brodin. Qui est, selon vous, le plus surestimé ici pour la deuxième journée ?
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Ok-Curve5569
37 Comments
Ryan Suter.
Thomas Vanek
Zach Parise
Suter seems to fit.
Marion Gaborick. Yeah he put up points when he played but he was so soft. Could never stay healthy and when he wasn’t scoring he certainly wasn’t playing defense so he wasn’t that great imo
Suter.
Put Suters fat fucking head for every negative box
Fucking Suter
Koivu.
There, I said it. Only stood out because he was surrounded by mediocrity.
Zach Parise. As much as people hate Suter, he lived up to his contract more than Parise ever did.
Zach Parise
Ryan Suter
Pominville
Martin Hanzal
Devan dubnyk
All time? Koivu. He was a solid 2C that was forced to be our 1C for far too long. Great player but not truly elite.
I love Zach Parise but he was overrated when he was with the Wild.
Danny ‘The Fuckin All Star’ Heatley
I’ve been a massive Suter critic for the last ~5 years, but I think it’s recency bias to call him overrated, as many are pointing out here.
. . I hate that I’m actually going to defend this turd, as an aside!
The reality is that we signed this guy to be a top D. Did he deliver?
Per eye test, the dude along with Parise immediately gave our team legitimacy. He was at or near the top of top minutes/game among D league wide for nearly his whole tenure with us. In his prime, he was solid defensively, though in his waning years definitely benefitted from an emerging and underrated Spurgeon.
His breakouts, transition, and stretch passing were elite, and when he actually was in his prime and a younger skater WAS a good PP1 quarterback – his average shot was compensated for by good lateral movement to find soft spots to throw tippable pucks.
He is currently 32nd all time among defenseman in scoring, and he’s got more total points than other same-era players like Weber, Pietrangelo, Duncan Keith, Chara, John Carlson, Drew Doughty, Keith Yandle. . .
The only active D with more points than him are Brent Burns, Erik Karlsson, Letang, Hedman, and Josi.
Starting in 2009-2010 season, he finished 10 straight seasons earning Norris votes, with the following finishes: 11, 15, 8 (last year in Nashville), 2, 4, 9, 8, 5, 13, and 18 (2018-2019) last.
That’s 5 top 10 finishes in Norris voting starting with his first Wild season, and that 2nd place season was to PK Subban, which was a coin flip – he lost 1266 to 1230!
He is currently top 10 in games played among D all time, will likely finish at #7.
I don’t think think he earns a trip to the Hall of Fame, he doesn’t have any personal hardware nor a deep playoff run to leverage. But he was in the conversation for the first half of his Wild contract with other D in this league who are all 1st ballot HoF’ers!
He left a sour taste in our mouths because he turned into a pylon the last couple seasons with the Wild, and he had a smug attitude to go along with failing to be a part of a core to deliver us a deep Cup run.
I hate to say it, but proobably Parise.
The biggest issue with Parise and Suter came from ownership and GM. Given the Reisenbourough (spelling) era we were all psyched to see these signings, but we also knew we had a window before the contracts harmed the team. the fault was the proceeding GMs and ownership so hell bent on simply making the post season that they refused to acknowledge that the supporting cast had reached their ceilings as lower end support guys, and would not help this team get over the hump. they kept running t back and burning the good years with those guys until their performances and contracts became so much of an albatross that people couldn’t ignore it any further. Opposing teams knew offensively focus on parise and much of the scoring threat was eliminated, which effectively killed his contributions. Suter, say what you will but he was on the ice far too long and he was essentially killed by not lending any support. a lot of people love historical revisionism but up until a couple years before the buyouts people loved these guys.
With more competent GM management and an owner without his head up his own ass the wild could have gone deep into the post season if not lifted a cup with those two.
Gotta be martin hanzal lmao everyone was losing their shit online 😂😂
Brian Rolston.
Most overrated…. I’m gonna get blasted for this but…..Marian Gaborik. There I said it. Just didn’t like the way he played, too soft.
Hate to say it, but gotta go with Parise.
Martin Havlat, Petr Sykora, Marian Gaborik, Danny Heatly, Devin Setoguchi, and as much as it pains me to say: Zach Parise.
Edit: Forgot about James Shepard
“Overrated” as in “hyped way too much for what we actually got to see?” Then it’s Granlund.
Wes Walz
Benoit Pouliot PMB Brodin
Gah! I hate all grief Parise is getting on here. He laid his body on the line nearly every shift.
Suter takes the cake for me. He was a loaf on the ice, constantly turning the puck over for easy goals. Koivu is another. Should have been let go or traded years before we did. Only reason he wasn’t was because everyone loved him so much. Third for me is Danny Heatley. The Suter of offense who only actually skated when he had the puck.
No one going to say Darby Hendrickson.
It’s a shame everyone is focusing on Suter and Parise. Let me remind you all of **Martin Havlat**
**Signed: July 1, 2009**
**Contract: Six years, $25.5 million ($4.25 million AAV)**
With Gaborik out the door, the Wild needed to fill a void offensively for the 2009-10 season. They went hard after and eventually signed Havlat, who was coming off a 77-point season with the Chicago Blackhawks. In two seasons, Havlat scored 54 and 62 points respectively for the Wild. But he reportedly clashed with team captain Mikko Koivu, and in a desperate effort to free the locker room of his presence Chuck Fletcher traded Havlat to San Jose for Dany Heatley. San Jose eventually bought out the final year of Havlat’s contract, but his time in Minnesota is often not looked at in a fond light.
**Marcus Johansson**
The Minnesota Wild’s worst contract based on point production in recent seasons has often been linked to **Marcus Johansson**. His 5-on-5 scoring has been particularly poor, ranking among the bottom forwards in terms of points per hour in 5-on-5 situations. In fact, during a recent season, Johansson ranked 297th out of 307 forwards in the NHL with 500+ minutes of 5-on-5 ice time, producing only 0.92 points per hour [Could the Wild Get A Bounce Back From One Of Their Worst-Value Contract Players? – Minnesota Wild – Hockey Wilderness](https://hockeywilderness.com/news-rumors/minnesota-wild/could-the-wild-get-a-bounce-back-from-one-of-their-worst-value-contract-players-r30176/) [The Wild Are Running Back What Didn’t Work Before – Zone Coverage](https://zonecoverage.com/2023/wild/minnesota-wild-nhl-trade-deadline-marcus-johansson-gustav-nyquist-analysis-stats-injury-contract-bill-guerin-playoffs/).
Johansson’s overall impact, particularly with Minnesota, has been a disappointment, as his underlying statistics (such as expected goals) haven’t translated into actual goals, not just for himself but for his teammates as well. Despite the relatively modest cap hit of $2 million per season, his inability to boost the Wild’s struggling offense made his contract poor value for the production he delivered [The Wild Are Running Back What Didn’t Work Before – Zone Coverage](https://zonecoverage.com/2023/wild/minnesota-wild-nhl-trade-deadline-marcus-johansson-gustav-nyquist-analysis-stats-injury-contract-bill-guerin-playoffs/).
Suter
Don’t hate me: Spurgeon routinely transforms into a subpar defenseman in the playoffs. That is exactly the time of year your captain is supposed to step up. He’s an excellent regular season player, a poor postseason player, and there are multiple guys on this team who should wear the C over him. I’m not saying he’s bad, but he is clearly overrated.
Fleury. Come at me!!!
Victor Rask given the amount of money Wild had to pay him.