Fans des Rangers, lui donneriez-vous 8x12m en ce moment ? Je voudrais. Vous ne gagnerez pas une coupe Stanley sans Shesterkin. #NYR
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Fans des Rangers, lui donneriez-vous 8x12m en ce moment ? Je voudrais. Vous ne gagnerez pas une coupe Stanley sans Shesterkin. #NYR
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Shit take, because every other team has won a cup without Igor Shesterkin.
There’s really no realistic alternative.
They should pay him. Simple, he’s the best player on the team.
Just don’t include a NMC
To anyone ego doesn’t want to resign him, who are you making the next starting goalie?
It’s going to be 11.66
For 12M, I hope they can at least settle on no NMC.
We didn’t win wit the best goalie in the world when we had Hank.
Play the year out, see what happens. If a core can’t be built, it’s not worth killing the cap on Igor, as painful as that sounds.
You might not win without him but at that much cap percentage it might not be possible to win with him either. Double edged sword.
Maybe not possible to win without him but definitely possible to hamstring the franchise for a decade by giving a goalie $12 million a year
Nope. Max 4 years. Didn’t win with Hank.
Would love to ban any Biz content from the sub. He’s truly the worst of the hockey world
Nor are we with him. We need some players to win not a return to the smurfs.
If he’s getting $12 million, I wouldn’t go higher than 6 years. Preferably 4, honestly.
Do 4×12 and I’ll be happy.
What is the photo?
Anyway, I would like to see the Rangers be like cup-winning teams & concentrate on excellent 5-on-5 play rather than iffy structure bailed out by magic goaltending. This latter style of hockey gets tiresome to watch.
I don’t believe this team is winning a cup. Our skilled players can do cool stuff against average teams, but the best teams can keep us under control. The skills that excellent 5-on-5 teams have – maintaining possession, moving the puck deftly under pressure, winning puck battles, etc – we don’t have enough of.
Yes and you can win with high cap hit goalies. Do I need to remind you how much money Florida rostered in goalies? 14.5 million. To my knowledge the players assistance program does not provide cap relief
I’m not sure what to do here. The team is built around elite goal tending. If we no longer have that, what do we do? It’s not like elite goal tenders are an easy find in the free agent market (or in our current prospect pool). We don’t appear to have a defense, as its currently built, to make up for decent goaltending. What would it take to fix that? I’m not sure but I’d think that at least a partial rebuild might be needed in that case. I don’t like the thought of doing that when we’re so close as it is right now. There’s gotta be a way to keep our core and sign Shesty. Otherwise, we’re probably screwed.
We’re definitely going to re-sign him. Can’t wait for these posts to end. We’ll be unhappy either way unless we win a cup.
Let’s just fucking do it this year.
I would rather give a proven play-off performer who is the only reason we even got to the ECF the money than a young player who has proven nothing yet in terms of consistency and often is lazy defensively, that’s for damn sure. 8 million for 8 years for Laffy is a slap in the face to Igor. He deserves a hell of a lot more than 4 million more than Laffy. Let Laffy prove himself for another year or two then throw him the big bucks and long term. Much too soon for either. Give Shesty everybody’s money since most of our top players don’t deserve even half of what they’re paid.
I wouldn’t pay him. I think you need to blow this team up and start a full blown rebuild. Think about the return you could get for players like Igor, Fox, Panarin, etc.
Think about how many first round picks that would be. We could load up in the draft, develop, and get players that may someday be half as good as Igor, Fox, and Panarin…..
Pay him.
This is very much a Kobayashi Maru in some ways.
Either you sign the best goalie in the league to a very high cap hit, running the risk of hamstringing the team on high end talent until a) we dump some salary by players leaving or b) the cap increases enough to offset;
Or, you let the best goalie in the league walk (or trade him if we’re tanking), and you hope that you can outsource that job to a good enough goalie and, since this is all about getting the supporting cast, get that other forward or forwards that total up to (the projected) $12m.
I lean towards doing the former because the cap will go up and Igor is a known quantity of goalie awesomeness. Searching for UFA goalies in 2025 we could pick up? None of them will either be palatable or realistically available (ie someone like Adin Hill).
What fucking Goalie do people think we could feasbly obtain and win with if we let him go? I mean if anything our core shit the bed in playoffs not igor. Pay the man what he wants so we can all focus on real shit like winning.
He’s absolutely worth it. He’s been a difference maker in every playoff series. What are you doing with that 12m and no Igor? You need to spend at least a few mil just to get an average goalie to replace him. Then what else? It doesn’t make us better. Trouba coming off the books pays for his raise.
88MM was a fair offer
The team gets into mediocrity without $ for a supporting cast.
If someone else wants to give him 12+ let them.
Over the last 3 years in the playoffs Igor has 40.5 goals saved above expected, an actual goals against average of 2.29 with an expected GAA of 3.28 which means he’s basically good for one less goal a game than the league average NHL tendy in the playoffs. No goalie in the league even comes close to sniffing those numbers in the playoffs over the last 3 seasons. Bob is second in that timeframe with a phenomenal 30 Goals saved above expected in the last 3 playoffs runs but still trails Igor by 10.5 despite playing 10 more playoff games over that time period. Igor has dragged a flawed Rangers team to game 6 of the eastern conference finals twice in 3 years. From an impact on the game perspective he’s as good as anyone in the league. you’re basically ensuring that you’re a goal better than league average just because one player is on the ice, that’s insane. Igor is a top 10 player in the league right now and he wants to be paid like one and I think he deserves it. Last night was a microcosm of how valuable Igor is to the team, expected goals were Rangers 2.81 Wings 2.57 so if you switch the goalies the wings probably win that game over the course of the season how many times can you say that’s the case with Igor 10 maybe 15 games a year? Losing Igor is probably a 15-20 point swing for this team and a full round worse in the playoffs. With the money you save not paying Igor allocated elsewhere, do you really think the production from whoever those players are will be close to what Igor currently brings to the Rangers?
This is giving everyone Hank PTSD. The worst part is Allaire leaving soon. I don’t think Shesterkin will do a full collapse without him but Allaire has delivered so many goalies that it’s scary to give the largest goalie contract in the history of the league right as he leaves.
I really don’t see why 10mil isn’t enough to get this done. I know it’s only 2mil but every dollar counts in this cap era regardless if it’s going up every year.
10mil for 8 years is plenty for a goalie and can also remain competitive.
James Dolan is a multi-billionaire. Him giving Igor 8×12 is couch change. What’s that asshole got to spend it on that’s better? Another sphere?
Dolan, just go down to the ice and let some NHL players shoot pucks at you. Wear all the pads you want. Now ask yourself. Would you rather go through that again 82+ times a year, not even counting practice, or do you want to pay Igor the money he’s more than earned?
With the rising cap honestly I would.
I hate it but he’s probably right
Some consensus is that it’s more about length rather than money. He’d probably take 11 mil at 5 years.
ABSOLUTELY
A long term like 7 or 8 years should bring it down a little. Every player, Zibanajed is a good example, has an internal clock that will strike 12 on an inevitable decline.
Even they do not know when and how it will happen. I’d argue that getting Laf zipped up is equally important, and he’s probably looking at what, 8 per? Talk about a good value in a couple years. Igor can have 12 for up to 4 years, maybe more like 10.5 for 7. Ok even 11, but I don’t see why they can’t offer the total he wants, extend the term for a season, and get away with paying him 10 for the first 2 or 3 years, then 12 or even more in the middle to end of the deal. Sure it makes him impossible to trade later, but if he gets results why would you want to.
I wonder if Trouba will walk or if they’ll negotiate with him for next season. I can be done, but he’s had a decent start, at least with points. If he added points to his game, I’d be tempted to see what they can get away with paying him to stay but I guess we see what his wife says.
The ways they get creative to drag an injured Kane in to get knocked out in the first round, but they can’t just backload a deal so everyone gets what they want. Igor deserves to be paid, but the team would like another cup before the end of civilization.
Lundqvist all over again but they have no trade leverage this time.
Can’t wait 3 years from now the next great debate in here will be we should never of payed Igor
There’s no choice. But i don’t know if we’ll win a cup with him either. Hank ate up basically the same % of the cap as Igor wants to. And we couldn’t ever surround him with talent. Big contract in a capped sport is never good for the team as a whole.
I like the take that 11 mil was fine but 12 is way too much .
I think they are going to do 4 years 12.5 a piece
Shit I’d give Igor anything he wants to stay in NY. 12m per year, my house, the shirt off my back. The dude exudes eliteness and lifts the whole team.
Not a chance🙄 at 12m we won’t be able to put a team in front of him
I ignore everything that clickbait clown ever says
I’d slide him a blank check and tell him to fill it out. If Igor goes somewhere else, let the rebuild begin.
Couldn’t win with the guy they called King Henrik. Goalies can’t score goals and shouldn’t make anything over 8 million.
The only team currently in UFA I can see offering him more then the Rangers will be the Maple Leafs who have 26 million in cap space next season if they don’t resign Marner. Leafs would gladly trade Marner for Igor. Outside of that, I am not sure any team will outbid the Rangers, especially since the Rangers have term on their side.
12 million is the highest I would probably go for Igor. I hate the cap ERA in so many ways, but then I remember the owner is Dolan, and pre cap we handed out big contracts to guys like Brian Skrudland, Mike Keane, Bobby Holik and so many others we didn’t need who contributed nothing.
I’ve said it from the start. I think 12 is fine and it gets the job done. With the cap increases coming a 12M hit in a few years won’t feel too bad.
Pay the man – Dolan can take an extra million from his band budget
Who says he’ll take 12? He might want more than that.
He’s already asking for 4 million more than Swayman and Ullmark who are pretty damn good. Igor’s better but is he 150% better?