Dans cette vidéo, je parle de ce qui a objectivement mal tourné avec les Maple Leafs de Toronto. J’explique les bons et les mauvais et ce que je pense les tue plus que les gros contrats !
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Dans cette vidéo, je parle de ce qui a objectivement mal tourné avec les Maple Leafs de Toronto. J’explique les bons et les mauvais et ce que je pense les tue plus que les gros contrats !
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So much hate for Dubas. Which GM of a Canadian team would the haters prefer? Benning? Holland? Treleving? Cheveldeyof? Dorian? Bergevin?
Do you want a dinosaur of a ‘hockey guy’ back like a Burke, Nonis or JFJ, who already failed?
The cap staying flat has been a disaster. Unforeseen. So hard to assign blame to having to suddenly deal with that.
Do people really think you can win a marner trade and the team will be better right away? So many trades proposed. None go through team be team and show realistically which other teams would be trade fits, are in the right circumstances to trade for a manner or a nylander, how the money would work, what the return would be and just why the other team would part with any good return. So just saying trade this guy or that guys doesn’t work; it isn’t that easy. ALL GMs make some good moves and some bad ones, same with drafting.
If the leafs weren’t so leafy and had one bit of puck luck in OT they would have beat the Habs. The whole narrative would be different. Small sample sizes are a thing. I’m a season ticket holder in the purples. I’ve been a fan since may 2, 1967, the last day they won the cup and my first day in Canada at age 3. I bleed blue and have seen way worse situations than the leafs are in now. I have PTSD from Ballard and the 80s and Kerry Fraser in 1993. Firing the management who so far have given us the best leaf team in decades (1977 was fun as was 1993 though it was lucky too), is reactionary and will not help. It will out them back in the wilderness. They have a few years hear with a talented core and window. The flat cap sucks. The cap in general sucks and penalizes the leafs who prop up half the league with money ( how is that fair).
So before saying dubas sucks. Fire dubas. Think it through and give me real options that actually might be better. Not so easy to do.
My hot take: if they fire dubas now they will be set back years and dubas will be hired elsewhere and sip from a cup there before the leafs ever do. He has won at all other levels. I’ve see this soap opera now for over 5 decades and see the mistakes that need avoiding. Patience really would have helped. So many times they threw away the future for magic beans to help now. Shortcuts do not work. Patience is hard but it really is the way.
Go Leafs Go.
Get rid of Nylander. This guy only shows up when he feels like it, unacceptable for the money he is making. He is so soft he could go into a corner with a dozen eggs and not break one. They could take the money Nylander makes and get a defence man who can take care of the front of our net!!!! Cory Perry could have had a cup of coffee while standing in front of the net during the Montreal series.
Spezza was really good last year – but he's not getting younger – every year is like a 20% deterioration expected – not his fault – it's a fact. And I like the guy but have to face reality.
best moves the leaf's made this off season is not signing Thornton
Marner got to go
Dubas paid Nylander a million more than Ehlers, his best comparable. That was a 16.5% overpay. Dubas even paid him more than Pastrnak, who was a much much better player. Dubas caved in even though the team was playing fabulously without Nylander. Marner at 10.9 is a 17% overpay compared to his best comparable Rantanen. Matthews best comparable, Eichel. Matthews 11.6 vs Eichel's 10 million. A 16% overpay. The Nylander overpay set the table for all the other overpayments. Brian Burke called it right, Dubas was an idiot when he did that. If Dubas had signed Nylander at 6, Ehlers salary, he could have held Marner to 9 or 9.5. and shaved a million or a million and a half off of Matthews salary. As it is the Leafs have about 3.5 million too much tied up in those players. Now this isn't an insurmountable hurdle but it is a big one. If they Leafs don't advance this year the team should consider firing Dubas and giving the new GM the option of trading all of them and starting the rebuild over. Matthews contract is up in 2024, there is no guarantee he re-signs. The Leafs can't afford to let him go for nothing.
as long as the leafs have the inept dubas the will win nothing.being a leaf fon for 53 years all i see is john fergoson again a gm with zzzero exprerience running the biggest hockey market team into the ground ,they will win nothing as long as dubas is gm,if shanahan cannot remove this ass then its time for him to move on also
I dont understand why people group Nylander in the same group as the other three. hes making HALF what theyre making and hes definitely in my oppinion worth 6.9M in todays market. Where the issues lies is the others. Matthews , nobody can say hes not worth the 11+ million hes making. Some could even argue Marner had just as many points as Matthews , and he plays the penalty kill and PP.
The odd one out for me. is Tavares. You cannot afford to pay a second line Centre 11M. You just cant. I get it he was the top free agent. He was the Toronto boy everyone wanted. he took less money to come to Toronto. However if you look at it and say you get two guys a Centre for 6M and a Left winger for 5M to play with Nylander on the second line. To me this team would be much better off. I love Tavares, he was in the top 25 this year. and he is a great player , they just cant play a second line centre 11M. Period. Now Dubas has signed him with a NMC so even if they wanted to they couldnt move him. THAT to me is why Toronto wont be any better this year then they were last year. When teams try to expediate the rebuilds by gettimg these players just like how they got Kessel. it rarely works out better. I would have prefered Seguin and Dougie Hamilton over Kessel
Fire dubas and get a goalie before the good players bail.
Did Trevor Wong get invited to any camp I thot he’d be a draft steal around 100 but never even got picked
They going to be better they got players to fill in the roles that was missing
Yes bad luck last year with injuries to Johnny. T and Mathew and others if tampas 2 best players hurt do they win?
There 2 best centers was hurt in the playoffs J. T we not what happened to him and Mathews wrist if having surgery now of course it was not right in the playoffs and he was having problems with it all year and still won most goals in the league. If they both healthy they do better tell me any team the don't have there top 2 centers healthy that would do very well in the playoffs. Bad luck of course run it through with same core plus get the other kind of players that was missing and I think they did get players that play in the tougher places in the corners and front if the net. They will be better and if they have both centers healthy in playoffs they will do well. It's hard for any team to have enough depth to handle their top 2 centers hurt. Plus one of there best defenseman
Mathews wrist injury, JT concussion was the playoff downfall.
The fact that Thornton and Foligno chose to sign elsewhere is telling. There is a daunting lack of emotion on this team. Not even the injury to their captain could get them going. The core 3, not becoming leaders themselves, will be lost to free agency as soon as they are eligible. Leaving Toronto with no Stanley Cup for another generation. This team is too corporate stale, doesn't even act like a hockey team.
If the Leafs had beaten Montreal, we wouldn't be having this conversation, at all. So what went wrong against Montreal? In order, it was as follows; 3) the core four was only the core three, since JT went down ten minutes into the first game, and was no longer available. And he would have been a difference maker.2) Terrible coaching as Keefe didn't make any adjustments to the style of play after Montreal did, and the old New Jersey style play choked the Leafs to death, and the power-play was atrocious, again, thanks to coaching. 1) The worst refereeing in the history of sport, actually on par with wrestling. Since when is a regular season penalty no longer a playoff penalty? Change any one of those things and the Leafs beat Montreal. Then, we are not here talking about it. That said, Dubas mis-handled the cap/budget so badly, he painted himself into a corner. And the first and most serious consequence of that was losing Hyman, with more to follow.
Maybe we should do a Tampa. LTIR Matthew's, Marner and Tavares, sign 30 mil worth of extra talent, unleash all of them in playoffs when salary cap doesn't count.
As an Edmonton Oilers fan, the similarities I see, and have seen over the past several years, to our team are both numerous and obvious.
Neither team has benefited from anything that could be accurately called "management" in at least a decade. What they have endured is a succession of people making all sorts of ill thought out and in many cases, panicked moves that have no basis in anything that could be called a "plan."
It has been in both cases, a quest for what I call "shiny baubles"; in other words, loading up on stars while neglecting the depth and role players so necessary to building a balanced lineup. And those "stars" have far too often proven to be selfish players out for themselves instead of for the team. Endless adulation from the press and fans, more money than they can count and absolutely zero accountability will do that.
In both cases, scouting, drafting and developing young talent has been atrocious, coaching suspect and team cohesion nearly non-existent. The GMs of both teams have for many years now, just been wildly flailing about in a desperate attempt to try to assemble some kind of winning lineup before their window closes and they run out of time.
I predict that neither team will be much better or even different this season than they were last year. Both teams will probably make the playoffs (but maybe not) but neither will do much once they get there.
I'm also sticking to my prediction that both McDavid and Matthews will win Stanley Cups but neither will do so on their current team.
IMHO, The Number of Ws will dictate everything…..until then it’s all talk
I have zero expectations this year, especially the regular season. Until playoff time, that’s when the REAL test starts. I’ll bleed blue and white till the day I die 🤞🏼
This coming year has potential to be much better in my opinion. I'm hoping they will have defined roles this year I hope and I only worry about the older players on roster who have had injuries that can be aggravated.
In the Playoffs versus the Habs after injuries, they played hurt players over less experienced but healthy players. Not to mention they will never admit Auston's shot just wasn't the same as it was before his wrist injury and he opted for surgery because he knows his power's not there. His skating and stick handling was elite but the power was just a bit off. His 80 percent dropped him to an average shot in my opinion and his shot should be above like the day he entered the league.
This year also depends on how the Captain rebounds from that terrible looking concussion received from Perry's flying knee. If Tavares plays great then I'll be happy, but in the past, players who get concussions are seemingly more vulnerable to getting more.
We need some Marlie's to transition to the Big Club and we need one forward and one of the defensemen to make the leaf permanently. I want Nick Robertson to come up and bust into the top six with that shot he has and either Timothy Liljegren to show what the Leafs seen in him. I want Liljegren to prove he can be a great defensemen and I hope they are working on his physicality and confidence.
Go Leafs Go!!!
Honestly this offseason hasn't held rousing changes which I think is good! Whenever things go wrong alot of Leafs fans have knee-jerk reactions and they constantly panic when the season doesn't get the proper results that they were expecting so I'm ok with what they have done thus far but I feel like Dubas is not done and still needs to add some pieces for a complete roster IE a better Top 6 winger option, a bottom pairing defenceman to replace the Bogosian hole that was left behind and I'd say probably more goalie assurance.
I do though like the Assistant Coach hires of Chynowith and Carbary though. I've read up on both coaches and their specific styles. Chynowith sounds like a great defensive coach who always expects a full effort out of all his players and he will work you to death to ensure he gets it while Carbary described his own style as a " Puck Pursuit " style and he has made alot of the depth pieces that they have in Washington excel in whatever roles they were given. As long as Malhotra stays as far away from the PP as possible I believe this team will bounce back. The only question/issue that the Leafs have is the Rielly one and already Seattle and a few other teams have enquired about Rielly I like the idea of Rielly being traded over to Seattle only in exchange for
– Jamie Oleksiak 5yrs / $4.6Mil AVV
2022 / 2023 1st Round Pick
Another Mid Round Pick
I also don't mind the idea of trading Kerfoot and Engvall for a 3C and Cap Relief? Nick Cousins is who I believe the target would be?
Then the Leafs sign the Following players:
• Erik Gundbransson 1yr/750,000k
• Nikita Gusev 1yr/750,000k
• Devin Dubnyk 1yr/750,000k ( For more Goalie Insurance )
Starting Lineup
Ritchie Matthews Marner
Gusev Tavares Nylander
Bunting Cousins Mikhayev
Simmonds Kampf Spezza
Muzzin Brodie
Oleksiak Holl
Dermott Gundbransson
Campbell
Mrazek
Scratches:
Devin Dubnyk
Ondrej Kase
Rasmus Sandin
Excited to see what this season brings
Dude you have no idea what you are talking about lol.
If Lamoriello would be the GM you probably already haď a CUP but junior Dubas needs to learn so perhaps in 5-8 years and by than Matthews Marner they will be long gone 😉
Management the problem with the leafs
I'm not concerned with what most people on here think. They think third and fourth liners are supposed to score goal per game in the playoffs so I don't even know what to say about that other than they should start watching hockey and not just watching hockey commentary on YouTube. What really pissed me off is that we had the depth scoring and the goals from the bottom we needed. Nylander was incredible and beyond what anyone thought we would get out of him. The top line produced 2 goals the entire playoffs. 1 from Hyman and one from Matthews. That's what pissed me off. With the Matthews we saw in the regular season and Marner playing the way he needs to be playing even without JT we should have breezed into the final or at least into the vegas matchup.
I still say that Marner needs to knock off the passing when he should be shooting. He needs to knock that off or they need to trade him. Zero doubt about that.
Matthews wrist injury explains a lot even though it's insane he won the rocket and started the season with a screwed up wrist and only now had surgery on it. That doesn't change that Hyman and Marner was of zero concern to Montreal, they obviously didn't care that they were on the ice and clearly they were correct about that. That can't be the case. Hyman regardless is irrelevant now obviously, but that still leaves the 11m AAV player who loathes goals. This has been a problem with Marner since he joined the team and it's still a problem today. If he hasn't dealt with it by this coming season Dubas needs to be fired for it and Marner needs to be traded by whichever GM replaces him. I don't care what he scores in regular season or when he's with Matthews, that's why he was put on the third line, because they wanted to see him score instead of just feeding stars. He's not paid star feeding money, he's paid star money.
The problem isn't the money it's the player not being worth the money and a Marner that passes the puck to a player behind the net in the playoffs with an open net in front of him isn't worth 11m. Tell me if that was Nick Robertson, (a player not yet in the lineup) that puck isn't in the net.
If they don't make it to the second round, would be AMAZED to see Dubas at the helm the following season. Shannaplan B?
I'm a lifetime Canadiens fan. I still don't understand how we managed to come back from 1-3 to win the series !
Corey Perry knocking Tavares out of the series.
My prediction is they won’t even finish in Top 4 of their conference.
The answer to this question is simple. There needs to be balance in order for team to go deep in the playoffs. In a salary capped league a GM needs to be smart about how he allocates the cap.. Half of it on 4 players who all play forward is a dumb idea.
It's gonna be funny when the NY Isles win a cup before the Leafs after the Pajama Boy debacle
Matthews and Marner have not displayed any compete level in the playoffs. They're regular season guys only. By the time these mental giants figure it out, they'll be playing elsewhere. Leaf Nation would be wise to tamp down any expectations big time. They might not even make the playoffs next season. If not, Dubas is toast, and leafs will pick up the phone on calls coming in with offers for Marner.
What’s wrong with the Leafs ?
They lack emotional maturity,discipline,work ethic,communication,will,grit,intensity,commitment and a pair…
They have 5.5 million invested in the goaltenders plus Ayres as emergency for home games so I think that is a position of strength for how little they spent.
1 answer: EVERYTHING
What do you mean? They did exactly what I said they would. They are a regular season team that isn't built for the playoffs. How many people have to say this and how many times do they need to be proven right about it?
Too bad the flat cap only affects the Leafs. Dang!
..Leafs with Mathews and Marner are a "one trick pony"..that Columbus and Montreal easily shut down..if Marner was traded for picks..Leafs have 11 million cap space……another trick perhaps…or the team gets better now and in the future.. :
Simmonds wants the cup
What went wrong, was when Lou went south.
Get Chara
Unproven GM and Coach
How can you be positive about the leafs man. The organization does not know how to win. And marner can burn
Make the most of losing in the playoffs and winning in the reg season. Enjoy it.
They need 4 solid dmen and a good goalie . Where is our stud defenseman ? The Stanley cup champs are built on solid defense not fluffy forwards who dont hit or block shots. Thats the price of Stanley. I ve known that for 50 years and I cant believe all those wasted years on teams built without a good moving d core and a good goalie. Its a train wreck ahead like every year.Downtown Sports seems to make his thing the gift of gab and doesn t say whats definitive and whats really needed.