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A bad deal is a bad deal. Bil G didn't have to buy out these guys and could have kept them. I'm sorry but you can just change the rules every time you make a bad decision. By the way (not to the same extent) but every team deals with the same rules. We (the Kings) still have a cap hit for Mike Richards until 2032. Will be fun to see Kevin Fiala in LA. It's interesting to see how some players just need more time to hit their stride. Adrian Kempe was picked 29th overall in the same draft and scored 35 goals this year for the Kings after a few years in the 15 goal range.
Hated Fiala when he played against LA. Going to love him in a Kings sweater. Gritty, tough winger that can score. Dustin Brown with more offense.
In 23-24 it will happen again. No way they can afford Dumba with the cap problems (OR Talbot and someone else). In 24-25 they get lucky because Zuccarello is up and there is 6 million there they won't re-sign him.
Dead cap is a result of bad signings. Letting them off the hook for their own idiocy is not only stupid, it's not fair to all the other teams that decided not to sign massive contracts like that. They knew the risks of the contracts, just because the rules have changed doesn't mean anything. Letting them off the hook is soft.
No longer June… It's July thank God
Great video @sdpn. If you guys could fact check this. I'm pretty sure the contracts when signed were not illegal contracts. After the contracts were signed, they became illegal and had the cap recapture penalties a few years after. I heard this from a credible source but I can't remember who said it. Could have been Russo or someone within the community. If this is correct would that change your mind even more?
I don't like it as much as the tavares deal… I think dubass needs to have a talk with Blake… Standard team friendly hometown discount contract should be 7 years 11 million per year!!! Book it!!!
It's because Minnesota is too close to Canada, if it was, oh I don't know, Tampa Bay doing the buyouts, you bet your ass they would have got all their picks back PLUS emotional damages
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What benefit if Bettman retires uh uh ?
The benefactor of penalizing buyouts was never the league, it's the NHLPA. The players fought for anything they could get in CBA negotiations, and THIS is the cookie they got. The league demanded escrow, and the players got not just guaranteed contracts, but stupidly guaranteed contracts.
Granlund isnt that shitty he had like 64 points this year LOL not that bad tbh
This situation is not about helping the game or helping the franchise, Adam. Who's saying that other than you? It's like a company having a stock, someone buys it and "that's the risk they took", the stock goes bust, and asking "yeah but how does this help the investor?" That's not relevant in the moment. Yes the Wild are being punished, because they took on a risk and the risk came true. I get needing to fill airspace in the offseason but this is a non-talking-point.
Billy G bought them out cause of the cap recapture penalties. His words its the only way to have control. If Zack was traded and then retired its still be the same cap hit on the Wild.
what people forget about fiala and his development, is that he had a horrific leg injury in one of his first seasons with Nashville (look it up, still gruesome) which clearly hurt his development, especially since he started to brake out in that time period. So it's not a big surprise that he's a late bloomer now. Overall great addition for the Kings
Despite the economic market crash,I'm so happy. I have been earning $45,850 returns from my $8,000 investment every 14 days
“Well he’s not as good as Austin Matthews:” – Adam probably before watching
I gotta be honest, Bill Guerin has huge balls to make the moves he has made, and I think he has won with this trade.
You are getting a captain from the University of Minnesota who maybe isn’t the best offensive player in the world but has a lot of intangibles and is a home grown kid (who quite frankly could play in LA or Iowa this year but I think is smart to let him get some time in as a captain at UMinn) and they get pick 19 as part of the deal too?
I like the move for the Wild, you now can move up with picks 19 and 24 if you want (plus the other picks they have) or you can stay out and develop those players into a strong team. I don’t think Fiala lives up to that contract, I think Dean Evanson put him in positions to succeed with Boldy, I can’t see Fiala being the play driver in LA. And at 7.9 million? He either better net 30 goals or 50 assists. Last time Nashville gave him an expanded role he kind of crapped the bed.
I think he’s probably a 60 point guy on the regular. Of course he and Arvidsson infamously fought twice so if I am another team I can calling about 33 being for sale.
And for the Wild fans, you got Rossi coming in to play with Boldy, and you have two major draft picks to boot. If Faber can turn into a Mattias Ekholm type I think the Wild can be happy for a while. Bravo to Evanson though, he did get work for the Wild all year.
its simple the wild knew what they were doing and they are the idiots that did it, so they have to suffer the consequences period. there is zero reason to be trying to discuss getting cap space back. they knew what was going to happen.
DeBrincat took a brainless, terrible suspension in the World Juniors that cost his team his services.
Guys get your facts in order. While Fiala has surpassed Granlund it doesn’t mean Granny’s shitty guy. He had a strong season and has been solid under Hines.
How come you're not "crapping" on the 2 contracts that Chuck Fletcher signed between Parise and Suter and the Wild? How come you guys aren't saying, "well the players sure as heck didn't complain about getting their monies way back in 2012-2013 thru to 2018-2019"? These were prepaid contracts!!! M Granlund had 1 season where he was a .90 ppg player, 1 season where he was a .85 ppg player, the rest was sub .85 ppg. Minnesota pulls a "Toronto" and rides out the next 3 years, because of the Prepaid contracts…. this is what happens when those kinds of deals occur, and team wants to move on and buy out players.
Debrincat fell in the draft to 39th because teams don't want to draft 5'7" players high up in the draft order, let alone play them !! see the exceptions Mr Richard.
FYI, the only thing different between Marner, Mathews, etc and Parise's and Suter's is simply the length of time, the contracts are essentially the same. Prepaid and upfront, so much the same, that the Leafs got their funding in SIGNING BONUS all up front, in the 90+% of their overall contracts…. that even if you had a problem with the contract, the monies would have to be paid out, essentially July 1sts. Freaking Scary.
The buyout did not affect this issue. If Suter and Praise were still on the team last year then they would of lost Fiala anyways. This is all on Chuck Fletcher and the owner for the contract. All Guerin did was give us Wild fans one more year of Fiala.
Good trade.I like players that show up in the playoffs.
As a Wild fan, I don't like the trade, but it was necessary. We simply couldn't afford him, thanks Suter and Parise! Fiala also wanted way too much. Almost 8 million for 1 good year? You aren't Ovechkin buddy. We opened up much needed cap space and hopefully can trade up in the draft. I liked Fiala, but he's not worth what he wanted. I'm happy LA is eating his bloated salary. Don't worry LA, he will be back to a 50 point player next year.
I don't like it on the regular season, but the guy has been invisible for the last two seasons in the playoffs.
Minnesota lost due to bad defense and subpar goaltending but it's not like their offense played perfectly.
If Fiala can't produce when he actually has to, he's just another Auston Matthews.
Get all that regular season acclaim you want, but he's not that guy in the playoffs.
Here's a fact of this deal: if they hadn't acquired Fleury and kept Kahkonen, they would have been in a more advantageous position going forward and might have had space for Fiala.
But he still would have been the most disappointing player for them in the playoffs for the last two years.
He might help them make the playoffs, but that's as far as they'd go.
People in the know about the Wild knew why Guerin had to take the hit on the Parise/Suter buyouts, and he knew what was coming in the wake. They were a toxic presence who were destroying the locker room and culture of the franchise. He believed the price had to be paid. End of story.
Everyone talks about these buyouts completely out of context
The buyouts meant nothing. Parise and Suter were signed until 2025 anyways. The “cap hell” always existed.
So why doesn't the NHL make a rule like MLS has: Any team can buy out 1, and only 1, contract per season, for no dead cap space. If you buy out subsequent contracts, you take the hit. Now in this case, the Wild would still be eating one deal. OTOH, if they had known it, they might have spaces this out over 2 years and called it good. Dumping one bad contract a season isn't going to unbalance the league.
The Wild did that to themselves. I don't feel sorry for them at all. The Suter Parise deal was a disaster from the get-go. It's a cautionary tale.
The Parise and Suter deals happened the summer before the lockout in 2012. I think the deals were 8 years max after that instead of the 13 they were signed for. Would have made a big difference.
here where i am at buyouts should have more owner costs for owners with a small hit for cap. cause otherwise owners will pay more money on older players and have them retire to save money. instead of paying 8m for one year tehy will sign 2@4 and pay the eight million with only a cap hit of 4m for one year if they forced to take a hit for the retirement year or the next two the cap doesn't get abused/
I will miss watching that GORGEOUS man. I do not like the trade….sorry, he was one of our best players.
NO!! They should have gotten rid of Matt Dumba.
Should be a solid trade for both teams. Fiala had a great 2/3 of a year and was a liability in the playoffs. The wild can find that elsewhere. Gotta time our draft haul for the end of the cap penalties and kirill's prime.
Without the buyouts to parise and suter the wild lose Fiala last year. Guerin bought minnesota another year with Fiala by buying them out, this trade happened because Chuck Fletcher signed those 2 guys to ridiculous contracts 10 years ago.
"What's the benefit?" For the Wild? Suter was a locker room cancer. Parise was no longer effective. The Wild needed to move on. Rather bite the bullet and control your future, than try to muddle through the 3 years of average to below average hockey. Also, it actually doesn't have much impact to the actual team as they would have still been hard up against the cap if they had not bought them out.
The real question is can the Wild speed the development of their prospects? Rossi? Addison? etc.
You have to punish teams for buying out players. If you don’t the big market teams will just offer FAs huge money try buy a cup then buy them out as they get a bit older. League how it is
Fiala is awesome against teams like the Kraken in November.
Fiala is terrible against good teams in the playoffs.
The worst part of it all, those 2 monster contracts were signed BEFORE the rule came in that screwed them over (lockout season)
Suter and Parise hadn't even played a game before the recapture rule was introduced, then in 2020 the rule is fixed, but the Wild are still screwed.
It may be some of the worst NHL management of rules ever. A rule introduced that affects contracts signed before it, but then never repaired for those contracts.
Really, what should happen is if a bought-out player signs elsewhere after, 50% of the cap hit is forgiven.
But that is too smart for the NHL so we'll continue to suffer with the worst managed league despite it being the best sport.
I'm happy. I think the trade for LA is in the right time frame.
wild fan here let us off the hook!!!