La reconstruction des Red Wings et des Canucks montre un contraste frappant dans l’autonomie des propriétaires – hockeythinks.ca
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nfw04
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La reconstruction des Red Wings et des Canucks montre un contraste frappant dans l’autonomie des propriétaires – hockeythinks.ca
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nfw04
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Beyond Seider, I am not sure I envy anything on their team. Lets see what draft picks and lineups look like in September
Yeah and one franchise has Yzerman while the other had Benning
Not to trash talk, but hasn’t Detroit been similarly booty cheeks as us for the past decade?
I think they made the playoffs maybe like once more than us? I do agree their cap situation + picks + prospects are better than us, but I think barring big injuries, our team will be stronger next year (knock on wood). I think Detroit’s future as a contender still has a lot hanging on moves and drafts they make in the upcoming season and maybe the next as well.
I do agree with the article, our ceiling looks bleak at the moment giving recent evidence.
It’s interesting how different the perspectives are, given that the Red Wings have been bad for so long, and are arguably in worse shape than Vancouver.
Both teams to me look like teams that have sucked for a decade, and haven’t won a lottery to be gifted superstar talent.
Buffalo has an even more meddling owner than the Canucks, but through the lottery were gifted Eichel, Power and Dahlin. The pieces they got from the Eichel trade look to have worked out well. The only part of their core that appears to be from actual managerial/ownership competence is Tage Thompson, who they got as a consequence of the Ryan O’Reilly trade. Otherwise they’ve been exactly what Vancouver has been, but they have a brighter upside because they’ve won 3 lotteries and Vancouver hasn’t.
The Red Wings are chilling in mediocrity just like we are lol. Do they have a Pettersson? No. Do they have a player as good as Hughes? No (Seider is pretty damn good but not Hughes level YET). Do they have a goalie as good as Demko? No. I’m probably bias but i’d rather be in the canucks situation than Detroits
Detroit will pick 6 times in the first 3 rounds in what’s supposed to be the deepest draft since 2003.
Canucks will pick half that. Kind of a bummer.
Detroit has a handful of legit blue chip prospects in the system. Edvinsson, Wallinder, Kasper, even Mazur and Cossa are poised to make meaningful contributions in the nhl. Add that to an already solid youngish core with Raymond, Seider, suter, Larkin, bergrenn, and Walman. They have a shit load more high end depth than we do. I bet they’re a playoff team before we are.
Edit Rasmussen as well. Husso is also a solid starting goaltender.
Stevey Y only been the GM since 2019. He knows what he’s doing. He has autonomy to build that program. Will be a cup contender long before Canucks. Canucks fan here BTW
I think the Red Wings will be consistently better than Vancouver for the majority of the next decade.
– In the past ten years Detroit has made the post season 3 times and failed to qualify 7 times.
– In the past ten years Vancouver has made the post season twice and failed to qualify 8 times.
– Detroit has 5 first round picks over the next three drafts, 5 seconds, 3 thirds and 5 fourths.
– Vancouver has 3 first round picks over the next three drafts, 1 second, 4 thirds and 6 fourths.
– Detroit has Kasper (C) Edvinsson (LHD) Wallinder (PP QB LHD) Johansson (LHD) Mazur (LW) and Tuomisto (RHD) as their top prospects.
– Vancouver has Räty (C) Lekkerimaki (RW) Rathbone (LHD) Klimovich (RW) Silovs (G) Karlsson (RW) Forsell (RW) Pettersson (LHD) as their top prospects.
– Detroit has plenty of cap flexibility going forward and hasn’t had to utilize a cent of LTIR. They have the ability to pounce on free agents as they see fit without having to move money out.
– Vancouver is projected as over the cap next season and has 14 million in LTIR currently. They’ll most likely have to buyout a big contract to simply be cap compliant for next season.
Currently, I think Vancouver is the better team as a whole but Detroit has a MUCH brighter future. More lucrative early round picks, a much better prospect pool and a very stoic GM that practices patience. Detroit’s goalie pipeline is thinner than Vancouver’s prospects (Silovs and Koskenvuo) but we’re seeing GMs being more willing to trade for a goalie much more frequently than in the past.
Detroit is up on Vancouver by 6 pts currently proving to be a more effective team with fewer elite players. Maybe as a whole they’re better today and also better next season regardless of how much we value EP40, Huggy, Millsy, Kuzy and Demmer here in Vancouver. 🤷♂️ But I’d still like to think the Canucks could currently take the Wings in a best of seven series.
Detroit’s last Stanley Cup victory was in 07/08. That said, they’ll still most likely win their next cup before Vancouver does.
I take Detroit’s future over Vancouver 💯 but I hope I’m wrong!
Pettersson alone is better and more valuable than anything the wings have.
Difference is that Yzerman knows their team doesn’t have that « star » player to build a team around. So they’re recouping picks and trading away players that don’t really fit their timeline. They have Larkin and Seider and that’s really it and neither of those players are close to as good as Pettersson and Hughes.
Pettersson is gonna be a top 5 center and probably challenge for the Selke and Art Ross regularly in the near future. Hughes is one of the best defenseman in the league and probably a borderline generational talent. Demko is a Vezina caliber goalie and can steal you wins. That Vegas series pretty much proved that he can steal you playoff games and stand on his head.
We have franchise talent that we can build around. Now it’s time for us to find that supporting cast to compliment these players and I think we’re getting there. Miller, Kuzmenko, Beauvillier, Hronek, Podkolzin, Bear are looking good and hopefully Kravtsov and Raty can be part of that group as well. We also need to figure out what we’re gonna do with Boeser and Garland, but I think we benefit more from keeping Boeser than trading him because he’s a damn good player when he’s healthy.
I also think we need another center in our system who can step in and replace Miller down the road, hopefully we can do that in this draft. Both Nate Danielson and Dalibor Dvorsy are looking good.
First mistake is calling ours a rebuild. It is not, it is a retool. Comparing them is comparing apples to oranges and not really going to be accurate.
The only thing they can say is that first bit where it shows a stark contrast in ownership autonomy.
My god, it’s crazy how many people have bought the retool cool-aid that the canucks are on. They are worse in the standings than Detroit and have fewer avenues to improve the roster moving forward than them and you’re saying you wouldn’t take that? Most teams in the NHL are in an infinitely better spot than the canucks Petterson and Hughes be damned. It doesn’t mean jack shit if you can’t build anything around those 2 and the team has shown they can’t do that in a proper manner. How can the team improve with no cap space, very few prospects and not many draft picks to use as currency?
As a Detroit/Vancouver fan comparing the two to each other isn’t super fair as the places the teams are in currently are very different and both teams clearly have different albeit correct goals for where they are currently
When will people stop propping up Detroit as the perfect rebuild? They are treading water in mediocrity, have started trading good drafted players away that were supposed to be part of their core, and are on the verge of becoming the next Arizona
If Patrik Allvin had torched $15M to sign Perron, Chiarot, and Copp he would have been burned in effigy by Canucks fans, instead Yzerman does it and he’s a genius 🙄
As a Red Wings fan, I’m just here to say that I’m honestly impressed by the comments here. Canucks fans know their shit.
Canucks picking up Hronek was totally stupid for so many reasons and i’ll list a few:
1. we aren’t this one piece away from being a cup contender. We are many pieces away and no ability to get those other pieces
2. Hronek is an offensive specialist and great on the PP. On Vancouver all the PP time goes to huges. Hronek will drop from 0.5PPG to something more like 0.25PPG
3. Hronek isn’t a good defensive defenseman which is what we really need.
My concerns Hronek gets no PP1 time obviously . His point production will drop, his confidence will drop, his overall defensive play and value will drop. We will destroy his career and crater his value like we did with OEL.
I’m not sure how our management is so stupid thinking this is the one piece we need. We don’t need offensive PP specialists ok? Hughes plays all the PP minutes and our PP2 unit hardly gets any time at all.
Why give away a 1st and 2nd in a deep draft when we have no prospects and picks and we have more holes that swiss cheese.
I would have preferred we kept the picks, but honestly, we should be trading Hronek at the draft before we crater his value like we did with OEL.
Detroit has had 62 picks since 2017.
9 have played NHL games.
Two look like impact players – Raymond, Seider
The rest are….players of varying abilities – Zadina, Berggren, Rasmussen, etc
I guess Edvinsson is supposed to be legit. I have a Canucks fan friend who claims he’s Hedman-lite and puts Detroit on a path to pass the Canucks eventually. We’ll see
But when you trade a 25 year old top-3,4 RHD, you’d better have a good reason why
Just looks like a really long rebuild in Detroit. We’ll see how it goes
two different management styles
same result
Detriot getting a weird amount of flack here….
Their future is stacked, the difference is that Stevie isnt mortaging it now for some improperly secured playoff births. Theres so many calculated decisions being executed over there.
But anyone who thinks that Detriot had failed a rebuild is full of it, especially considering they’re not fully done with it. The art of rebuilding has yet to be fully nailed since the Leafs did it. Almost every team has floundered in theirs because theres just so much talent in the league now.
But come on, look at the depth of detriot:
Larkin 26, Suter 26, Raymond 20, Zadina 23, Veleno 23, Berggren 22, Seider 21, Edvinsson 20, Husso 28, Rasmussen 23, Lindstrom 24, Soderblom 21, Hanas 21, McIsaac 22, Cossa 20, Niederbach 21, Buchelnilkov 19, Mazur 20, Zito 19, Wallinder 20, Tuomisto 22, Buium 19, Johansson 18
Those are all roster players locked up, or prospects that are days away from full time graduation, or prospects that are killing it in their respective leagues given their ages.
Aside from Kuzmenko, Petey, Hughes and at times Demko, we dont have anything close to the future they have.
I love Petey and Hughes as much as anyone else but to all of a sudden pretend they are taking us to the promise land is ludicrous. We have been historically bad for years as management has tried to surround them with quick fixes, overpaid has-beens, and bled cap and draft capital to do it. This Tocchet bump is a fairytale. Until we can get out of October still playing meaningful hockey I’ll take a lot of other teams approaches over ours.
I don’t even think it’s the owners. I think Jim didn’t want a rebuild. He’s too old to wait that long.
This is just a horrible piece of “journalism”