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Voici une citation concernant le réservoir de Hughes dans l’interview de Pierre Lebrun avec lui.
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[Here’s the link to the article](https://theathletic.com/4330015/2023/03/21/canadiens-bedard-caufield-hughes/?source=emp_shared_article)
At this point these words are exactly what I want to see coming from Hughes.
Anyone shocked by this needs a reality check. This rebuild will take SEVERAL years.
commit!
That trading for « good young players » bit surely won’t fan the flames of the PLD speculation😆
Thanks god. Finally we can rebuild properly and stop signing 30 years old to patch thing up.
I’m just a little upset of the future because of the fanatics deal. I refuse to buy fanatics jerseys and our future prospects will unfortunately suffer because of it.
I think 2025 is a realistic target for making the playoffs
Hmm, is he referring to not signing a particular Winnipeg Jets player in free agency?
I’ll take a Celebrini or Eiserman lol
I see this being true in all but one spot and that is goaltending
God I love this management group
Yup sounds about right to me. We’re in year 2 if the rebuild now, another 2-3 years means we’ll have been rebuilding 4-5 years, right off the back of our 2018-2020 “retool” which left us some assets as well. That’s a perfectly acceptable amount of time to be rebuilding for and I’m excited for that to be what we’re expecting. Any longer than that and I’d be getting pretty antsy
Edit: with that being said I think we should be ready for even an extra year to be added on to that 2-3 years Hughes is suggesting now. A rebuild between 4-6 years of length is acceptable to me even if I’d prefer it to be closer to 4 or 5 years than 6. Anything past 6 years and it’s just time to start going for it again but just be ready for the possibility that things take a bit longer than we expect. If we get lucky we can cut a year off of the rebuild IMO…but if we get unlucky we can also add a year too, it works both ways. I’m optimistic but things can switch up sometimes
Good. Stick to the plan.
Music to my ears.
Hopefully Geoff Molson doesn’t change his mind and decide that we should compete early.
If I was Hughes coming in, rebuilding for long enough to clear out some of the bad contracts and build enough of a prospect pool is an absolute must.
This is just common sense. Were still up to a year from being able to use some of the draft picks he acquired early in his tenure. Colorado’s pick from the Lekh trade is 2024 not this off season, the 1st from Calgary might be as far as 2025. Florida’s 1st is this year, but all these picks are going to need to 3-4 years minimum development before they enter the NHL and are the same additional time to reach their prime.
Think of this way, how close are Mailloux, Roy, and Kidney from the NHL? Couple years? Well those are picks from the Bergervin era. Now just remember most of our assets are going to be coming from picks we haven’t used yet, and the logic of this thing taking another half a decade or so really starts to sink in.
The only real deadline or rush to get things moving is to be competitive before Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and the guys that are young now start moving past their prime, which for some players can be before 30. Ideally you’ll want some youngster to be regularly making their way in the line up, like Guhle and then having space for the others to get ice time while there’s no immediate pressure to be good, like the way we did with him, Barron, Harris and other defenseman this year. I assume in the upcoming years that opportunity will be given to Beck, Mesar, Roy, Kidney, and whomever we draft high this year, while the contracts of the older players run out and open up roster spots.
If you want blueprints for a rebuild look at the last cup champ. Colorado was shit from 2008 to 2017, they also drafted in the top 5, five times. From 09 to 15 they drafted Duchene, Mackinnon, Landeskog and Rantanen. Then they purged Duchene for what turned out to be Bryam and Girard, and drafted Makar in their final bad year. They did make the playoffs twice in that period but declined immediately after, which they were fine with because it was about long-term goals.
Theoretically, you hope Montreal is at the Avs stage with their top 3 forwards with Suzuki, Caufield and Dach. They’re not as good, but the situation is similar; build around the trio, acquire high picks, and get assets for anything that’s not in the long-term picture, and let the defense develop, and get a goalie on the trade or FA market.
Getting rid of the contacts/guys you don’t like without giving away assets usually ends up being a waiting game. Could’ve we traded Drouin and Hoffman? For a sure a team like Chicago would’ve taken them but you want to hold on your picks so you just wait it out. Happy things are done the proper way this time around.
This sounds like Anderson is going to be traded this off season. Sounds like they don’t need a 29 year old forward for 4 more years
Yes, praise be to Him, I mean to Hughes. There are so many gaps to be filled within this organization. We can hate on Lusczyczyn, but he ranks 10 categories required to be a Stanley Cup contender.
The Habs have exactly one guy that fits the bill perfectly and that is RHP as a depth winger. Everything else, except for Monahan who’s an ok Center completely misses the mark.
So, yeah, that’s not the type of thing that gets fixed in a year or so.
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Starting next year, I’d like to see potential wildcard goals. The rebuild will continue, but even 4 games of playoff experience will be great for our young players.
Basically when our goalies contracts expire
HuGo gets it. Perfect. The good thing, we already have a good foundation with Suzuki, Dach, Caufield, Guhle. We just need more firepower in the next 2 drafts and drafting early will help that.
My prediction next season we finish 10 points out wild card
Season after we miss playoffs but are in wild card contention throughout the season
Season after that we make playoffs, perhaps making a first round splash
Season after that we are seen as contenders and make it to the third round
5 year mark we win it all.
🙂
Missing the playoffs in 2024 would be fine but I think 2025 is where it might get dicey. The longest the Habs have missed the playoffs is 3 years in a row. Would there be general acceptance of missing the playoffs for a 4th year in a row (setting a new record) in 2025?
The next two seasons will be very interesting to watch as how well or badly they go will dictate the speed of the rebuild.
There’s been talks about Carter Hart getting moved in the offseason, I’d love to him to come to MTL. Age is right for the timeline, has lots of potential considering he’s never had a proper D core in front of him, and he loves Price. Seems like a great fit.
Here is a comment regarding the tank from a Redditor
In 2-3 years…
So let’s say, Summer of 2025:
* Suzuki will be 25 and still have 6 years left on his deal.
* Dach will be 24 and have one yr left on his bridge deal.
* Slafkovsky will be 21 and coming off his ELC.
* Guhle will be 23 and coming off his ELC.
* Anderson will turn 30 and have 2 yrs left on his deal
* Allen, Savard, Dvorak, Evans and Armia will turn UFA
* Gallagher will be 33 and still on the books for 2 more yrs.
* Price will turn 39 and still be on the books for 1 yr.
* Matheson will be 31 and enter his last season before UFA status.
* Caufield, Xhekaj, Barron will already be on new deals
* A bunch of recent picks (Mesar, Mailloux, Beck, Roy, Trudeau, Hutson, 2023 1st round picks) should still be on ELC’s, but coming off the next summer or following.
The big timeline decision is mostly Caufield’s new deal. Getting him signed for 8 years at a decent number means you avoid running into some situation where you have to re-up both him and Dach in the same summer.
A good timeline is having a bunch of guys coming off their ELCs at the same time Price and Gally’s contracts end, without having to handicap ourselves further down the road with buy-outs.
Given all this, I don’t see how you can even add a 28-29 yrs old on a long deal. You need those guys *off* the books just to fit in the young guys coming off their ELCs for the next 3-4 yrs. I’m not even sure we’ll be able to keep Matheson in 2026.
Also the rest of Hughes’ quote really makes it sound like he’d be looking to move Florida’s 2023 1st rounder for a young guy in a repeat of Dach’s trade last draft.
I hate this mentality. Being accused of tanking used to be an embarrassment for sports franchises. Now they’re fully admitting it. Even if it’s true, it’s a bad mentality for the locker room and the franchise. Attitude of the team reflects attitude of leadership. If leadership are admitting to tanking, that attitude will be reflected by everyone else and you will never have a winning attitude. Tanking rarely results in anything but a flash in the pan for most teams. It’s not a recipe for long term success.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we make the playoffs next year. Teams can rebound very quickly and especially with a good development coach.
He’s no Bergie, is he? Thank God.
That’s actually a little longer than I would have expected. I figured next year would be our last “tank” year, and the 2024-2025 season would be when we actually start to make a push for the play-offs. Hughes inherited the beginning of his rebuild with Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle, added too it already with Dach, Slafkovsky and Barron, and will add even more with our two first round picks this year. I feel like one more season of high draft picks/getting rid of old vets would be enough.
If you drag the rebuild on too long, you start to run the risk of instilling that “losing culture” everyone is so afraid of. You also won’t have any of your young guys on cheap contracts anymore, with Suzuki and Caufield already earning big bucks, and Dach, Slaf, Guhle, Barron, Harris, Mesar, Beck, Xhekaj, Hutson, Mailloux, Roy and Kidney and whoever else we draft this year all up for new deals at that point as well.
I’m all for patience, but you also need to have a plan to move out of the rebuild phase at some point and be competitive. Usually the teams that tanked and went on to be successful only really bottomed out for around 2-3 years before starting to turn things around.
This is going to be a looong few years. We better have a good team at the end of all this