This seems crazy. I’ve seen the clip 50 times. It’s horrible but it’s obvious it wasn’t intentional.
EDIT: Just to clear things up from all these responses. When I say obviously it wasn’t intentional I meant intentionally tried to cause a life-threatening injury or death. As in I dont think he was like let me see if I can kick him in the neck with my skate.
Do I think he wanted to do something dirty? Most likely.
TTT64yoyo
Mental. I hope this is purely a box ticking exercise and this merely a formality. Hopfully common sense is applied here.
Ilkley_dipper
An investigation will always take place if a death occurs. The arrest could well be the stadium manager or background personnel due to negligence. It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t immediately jump to conclusions and say there is no guilt whatsoever. People are far too quick to absolve if it suits their opinion.
GroundbreakingCow775
This is disappointing for UK ice hockey. I mean, I can see this being an international incident.
I’d really like to know how the police in my homeland are investigating something completely foreign to them
lostmyusernameAGA1N
I feel like he intended on injuring johnson, but not killing him. Also, arrest doesn’t mean he gets convicted or anything. Rest In Peace Adam Johnson
Sr_Raisin_bran
It’s a freak accident this is just going a little bit overboard
HistoricalFunion
Good, lock away the psycho for life.
Electrical_Mango_489
Arrest – He’s being brought in for questioning. Depends if South Yorkshire Police or the Crown Prosecution Service charge him.
I mean in UK laws, its text book manslaughter. Whilst it may have been accidental and no intent to cause death he did go in to hurt him and accidently killed him. They can’t just let that fly « for the sake of hockey ».
anthro28
Yeah, manslaughter is typically an arrestable offense.
How quickly the « oh god you idiots it was totally an accident » crowd disappeared.
WeAreAllFooked
FTR: I had a coworker die on the jobsite after being struck by an object. We (all employees that were there that day) all had to go and have interviews with the police even though there was no foul-play suspected at all. It’s what happens when someone dies suddenly, the police need to figure out what exactly happened so they can fill out proper reports and documentation for things like insurance and death certificates.
We were all told that we were required by law to talk to the police because we were witnesses to the incident, and failing to meet with police could land us in trouble/jail.
CircleJerkSchierke
Oh how I wish I could see all the morons that were calling us idiots and scum of the earth because they thought he was just a poor black guy who couldn’t do no wrong and it definitely had to be an accident DESPITE THIS HAPPENING MULTIPLE TIMES AND THERE BEING VIDEO PROOF.
reddituser3463
The fact that everyone here has either watched hockey for a long time and/or has played hockey in their lives can watch that video and say for a fact that it wasn’t intentional coming from a player that is known for dirty plays is amazing.
Also the kicking of the neck might not be intentional but that attempt to make contact could have been. Hence manslaughter and not murder.
BannedMyName
I just want everybody who has never worn a pair of skates in their life to stop talking about this incident like they’re an expert
LunchboxStringCheese
How any of you morons think the kick wasn’t intention is beyond me. Clearly intentional. BuT ivE beEn WaTchiNg HocKEy foR 700 YeaRs
AdmiralRon
It’s cool how many people in this thread seem to fail to grasp the concept of innocence until proven guilty in a trial. Very comforting and not at all indicative of how sociopathic society is.
zivlynsbane
I knew it.
spleen4spleen
“Det Ch Supt Becs Horsfall, from South Yorkshire Police”
?!?!!?!?!!?!!?! Be more British…
bigtimechip
There is another video of the same player doping the same kicking motion years and years ago
leese216
What happened was literally an episode of CSI back in the day. And it was not an accident. Not saying this was or wasn’t, but doing your due diligence is the least any investigator would and should do.
Illustrious-Yak-6142
**Things we know**
1. Someone has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter
**Things we don’t know**
1. Who has been arrested (could be the player, could just as well be the owner/operator of the arena for negligently not having certain safety procedures in place)
2. Why they have been arrested (what evidence has been gathered that warrants the arrest)
3. Whether they will be charged (whether the CPS agrees that the threshold has been met to bring criminal charges)
4. Whether they will be found guilty by a jury
My expertise: 300 years playing in the NHL, 15 years as the Commissioner of the Met Police, 30 years as a criminal barrister.
maxComposer
dang. those police are racist and so are y’all… dudes innocent
Guilty_Fox2043
*I posted this in another group but i feel it is worth explaining a bit about about how uk law works.*
I do think its worth reinforcing the fact that arrest in the UK is very different to arrest in the US.
In the UK you are arrested ‘on suspicion’ of an offence having occurred, primarily to secure evidence by means of formal questioning. It’s fairly common to be asked to attend a police station, formally arrested and cautioned, questioned and bailed (promise to appear, no cash bond) within a few hours. You must be released, bailed or charged within 24 hours of arrest. Police do not make the decision to charge you, that is done on the advice of a crown prosecution solicitor (sort of like a district attorney).
There is no dragging you straight off to jail for a few days to await a judge once arrested. That comes later if charged.
In this case, if it is Petgrave, it may well be the case that the police could believe there is potentially something the incident that may amount to manslaughter, so have formally arrested him to question him under caution.
Fulle_
Good. He obviously didn’t mean to murder him but he without a shadow of a doubt intentionally wanted to hit Adam with his leg. The fact he accidentally hit him with his skates is why it’s manslaughter and not murder
Losdangles24
The more I watch the replay the more convinced I am that he was trying to injure him. I don’t think he meant to murder him, but it was an extremely dirty. He could see and feel the guy that he bounced off and it’s not even forceful enough of contact to swing a fully grown mans leg up like that. He was trying to injure him
He should never be allowed to play pro hockey again.
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I thought it was an accident? This is wild.
This seems crazy. I’ve seen the clip 50 times. It’s horrible but it’s obvious it wasn’t intentional.
EDIT: Just to clear things up from all these responses. When I say obviously it wasn’t intentional I meant intentionally tried to cause a life-threatening injury or death. As in I dont think he was like let me see if I can kick him in the neck with my skate.
Do I think he wanted to do something dirty? Most likely.
Mental. I hope this is purely a box ticking exercise and this merely a formality. Hopfully common sense is applied here.
An investigation will always take place if a death occurs. The arrest could well be the stadium manager or background personnel due to negligence. It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t immediately jump to conclusions and say there is no guilt whatsoever. People are far too quick to absolve if it suits their opinion.
This is disappointing for UK ice hockey. I mean, I can see this being an international incident.
I’d really like to know how the police in my homeland are investigating something completely foreign to them
I feel like he intended on injuring johnson, but not killing him. Also, arrest doesn’t mean he gets convicted or anything. Rest In Peace Adam Johnson
It’s a freak accident this is just going a little bit overboard
Good, lock away the psycho for life.
Arrest – He’s being brought in for questioning. Depends if South Yorkshire Police or the Crown Prosecution Service charge him.
I mean in UK laws, its text book manslaughter. Whilst it may have been accidental and no intent to cause death he did go in to hurt him and accidently killed him. They can’t just let that fly « for the sake of hockey ».
Yeah, manslaughter is typically an arrestable offense.
How quickly the « oh god you idiots it was totally an accident » crowd disappeared.
FTR: I had a coworker die on the jobsite after being struck by an object. We (all employees that were there that day) all had to go and have interviews with the police even though there was no foul-play suspected at all. It’s what happens when someone dies suddenly, the police need to figure out what exactly happened so they can fill out proper reports and documentation for things like insurance and death certificates.
We were all told that we were required by law to talk to the police because we were witnesses to the incident, and failing to meet with police could land us in trouble/jail.
Oh how I wish I could see all the morons that were calling us idiots and scum of the earth because they thought he was just a poor black guy who couldn’t do no wrong and it definitely had to be an accident DESPITE THIS HAPPENING MULTIPLE TIMES AND THERE BEING VIDEO PROOF.
The fact that everyone here has either watched hockey for a long time and/or has played hockey in their lives can watch that video and say for a fact that it wasn’t intentional coming from a player that is known for dirty plays is amazing.
Also the kicking of the neck might not be intentional but that attempt to make contact could have been. Hence manslaughter and not murder.
I just want everybody who has never worn a pair of skates in their life to stop talking about this incident like they’re an expert
How any of you morons think the kick wasn’t intention is beyond me. Clearly intentional. BuT ivE beEn WaTchiNg HocKEy foR 700 YeaRs
It’s cool how many people in this thread seem to fail to grasp the concept of innocence until proven guilty in a trial. Very comforting and not at all indicative of how sociopathic society is.
I knew it.
“Det Ch Supt Becs Horsfall, from South Yorkshire Police”
?!?!!?!?!!?!!?! Be more British…
There is another video of the same player doping the same kicking motion years and years ago
What happened was literally an episode of CSI back in the day. And it was not an accident. Not saying this was or wasn’t, but doing your due diligence is the least any investigator would and should do.
**Things we know**
1. Someone has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter
**Things we don’t know**
1. Who has been arrested (could be the player, could just as well be the owner/operator of the arena for negligently not having certain safety procedures in place)
2. Why they have been arrested (what evidence has been gathered that warrants the arrest)
3. Whether they will be charged (whether the CPS agrees that the threshold has been met to bring criminal charges)
4. Whether they will be found guilty by a jury
My expertise: 300 years playing in the NHL, 15 years as the Commissioner of the Met Police, 30 years as a criminal barrister.
dang. those police are racist and so are y’all… dudes innocent
*I posted this in another group but i feel it is worth explaining a bit about about how uk law works.*
I do think its worth reinforcing the fact that arrest in the UK is very different to arrest in the US.
In the UK you are arrested ‘on suspicion’ of an offence having occurred, primarily to secure evidence by means of formal questioning. It’s fairly common to be asked to attend a police station, formally arrested and cautioned, questioned and bailed (promise to appear, no cash bond) within a few hours. You must be released, bailed or charged within 24 hours of arrest. Police do not make the decision to charge you, that is done on the advice of a crown prosecution solicitor (sort of like a district attorney).
There is no dragging you straight off to jail for a few days to await a judge once arrested. That comes later if charged.
In this case, if it is Petgrave, it may well be the case that the police could believe there is potentially something the incident that may amount to manslaughter, so have formally arrested him to question him under caution.
Good. He obviously didn’t mean to murder him but he without a shadow of a doubt intentionally wanted to hit Adam with his leg. The fact he accidentally hit him with his skates is why it’s manslaughter and not murder
The more I watch the replay the more convinced I am that he was trying to injure him. I don’t think he meant to murder him, but it was an extremely dirty. He could see and feel the guy that he bounced off and it’s not even forceful enough of contact to swing a fully grown mans leg up like that. He was trying to injure him
He should never be allowed to play pro hockey again.