S’il vous plaît, continuez à nous sous-estimer. S’il vous plaît, continuez à publier des articles comme celui-ci que Lavi peut utiliser comme motivation.
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JBS319
@Rangers de New York
S’il vous plaît, continuez à nous sous-estimer. S’il vous plaît, continuez à publier des articles comme celui-ci que Lavi peut utiliser comme motivation.
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JBS319
38 Comments
Unimpressive to who?! Because I’m so impressed! I love this team!
I love this team. Will be disappointed if we don’t get the President’s Cup. Playoffs are a whole new season. Let’s finish strong and get Stanley too! LGR!
No, fuck off! We come from behind or we take the lead and hold. PP is stellar and PK is stellar. Goalie tandem stellar.
Boys are having fun! Stellar!
Right off the bat:
“Artemi Panarin has scored 61% of his points on the man advantage”
He has 115 points, 42 PPP that’s 36%. Which is roughly the same (all are 33-37% I think) as McDavid, Kuch, and MacK. Way to go stats guys
Another article Lav puts on the wall for motivation
This is not underestimating. It’s literally estimating based on statistics. Based on the stats we are great in special teams and goaltending. We are not good 5v5. I’m sure that Lav is well aware.
Based on this data, if we don’t do well on power play and goaltending, we will not do well in the playoffs.
Wyshynski is a noted Devils fan and Jersey native. Really wouldn’t bother to give him or ESPN a click.
I don’t know where you can say this analytics wise, but the concern I have for them is the fact that they do give up the first goal or blow leads way too frequently to feel comfortable.
Since beating the Blues 4-0 on March 9th, the Rangers have scored first just a handful of times and/or blew a lead in every game.
Yet they’ve only lost twice.
That’s not really sustainable in the playoffs. This team needs to learn how to score first and hold a lead. You can’t expect to keep coming back down from 1-2 goals every night
Wyshynski comes across as a very bitter Devils fan. I get it though, their season has sucked.
I didn’t think the article was biased or unfair as others are proclaiming. They pretty much just laid out a few cases and showed some data. Even a comparison chart of how this team stacks up against past cup champs in various categories. It’s not like they said the Rangers suck, and there were many positives and interesting upside mentioned.
It’s Greg. The fact that he has a job that isn’t for the devils is beyond me.
The Rangers haven’t been all that good at 5-on-5 for a very long time, and it hasn’t stopped them from making deep playoff runs.
The only real concerns with the team at 5v5 rn is the 1 (elite) good offensive line and inconsistent top 4 D. However, the 3rd line seems to be a true matchup potential.
I swear, the Rangers live so rent free in Greg Wyshynski’s head. He’s a noted Devils homer, yet always talks about the Rangers and how bad of a team they are.
I think that advanced statistics are on the whole a good thing that can help people understand a sport better, help GMs and coaches make their decisions with more intellectual rigor, and for some fans making following the sport more fun. But man there are some fucking nerds out there who can’t seem to accept that sports happen in real life, not in statistical simulations, and that « the statistics indicate that *on average* teams with the Rangers’ 5v5 numbers are less likely to win the Stanley Cup than teams with more dominant 5v5 numbers » **does not** mean that the Rangers are overrated or would be « lucky » to win the Cup.
New York Hate gets clicks. It makes all the winning 1000x sweeter.
The article is pretty good (albeit there’s a bunch of typos). Idk why people keep claiming this is some kind of Wysh biased Devils fan article considering if you read the first 2 sentences you’d see it was a joint effort with like 5 different analytics people (public and private model) who are not biased Devils fans. Also even if Wysh is a biased Devils fan it doesn’t invalidate the basic numbers that the article is pointing out
It’s the same story for NYR as it has been for years, across multiple rosters and coaches: they’re great at special teams and goaltending, and totally mediocre at 5v5, where 80-85% of every game is played. NYR not being good at 5v5 is definitely an Achilles heel to their cup run. Teams that are not good at 5v5 almost never win cups.
But as Meghan Chayka pointed out in the article, guys like Roslovic (who is good) and Wennberg have helped increase NYR’s possession time by almost a full minute. If those guys can continue to be on the right side of the puck (albeit they have to cut down their xGAs) then that will be a big boost. Hell, the article even praises the Rangers for their timely 5v5 scoring and uses that to explain how they’ve basically beaten the expected stats. A very substantial portion of the article was praising the Rangers and basically explaining that what NYR is doing could actually be sustainable for a cup run — did anybody here criticizing it even read it?
The concerns about subpar 5v5 play are legitimate and have to be addressed, otherwise it has a good chance of being an issue in the playoffs. To pretend they’re not actually mediocre at 5v5, with only 1 line scoring at 5v5, and that this is just some kind of Rangers hate article, is totally ridiculous and idk how people can believe that with a straight face. Do you genuinely believe that a full grown adult sports journalist for ESPN would be so childish to write an article that is just full of wrong information and is only written out of a hatred for the team that it’s about?
My goodness it’s laughable how anything even remotely agreeing with the article is getting down voted here. I forgot that acknowledging basic reality in this sub is illegal and you’re only allowed to say that the Rangers are the best team of all time and any pointing out of any bad things at all will result in public execution
FUCK THE ESPN JABRONIS
I hate the number crunching freaks. Beancounters need to get the hell out of my sports
I don’t know shit about analytics, but if this is an unimpressive season I must be fucking blind.
TLDR: if the doomers on our sub say it’s a problem, then it’s not a problem. If they say it isn’t a problem, then it is a problem.
> »What gets them to the 115 points they’re projected for now is a combination of finishing and goaltending, which has been consistent throughout the season, » Fraser said. « [Igor Shesterkin](https://www.espn.com/nhl/player/_/id/3151297/igor-shesterkin) has been fine. But most notably, they’ve gotten excellent performance from a backup for the first time in years. »
Nope
Obviously we need to be a little cautious because anything can happen in the playoffs but I feel like we are better positioned this year
This is (and always has been) a fear of mine, in ALL sports. A hot team in the playoffs can « upset the applecart », and that is a frequent occurrence, unfortunately.
All we can hope for is we keep playing the way we’ve been playing, don’t get out of our gameplan and adjust quickly when necessary.
We have a good team, potentially a GREAT team. Lets just work for the big « 16 win playoff season. » and hoist the cup!!
You can be subpar 5 on 5 if the special teams are very good and the goalie is elite.
Honestly the article I pretty fair and balanced. The headline is there to generate clicks. BUT the ending is hilarious. Yes the Canes are good but we own those guys. Can these analytics guys just stop blindly trusting their models and watch the games?
I don’t know why it has to be said but hockey is played on a sheet of ice and not a spreadsheet. The only number that matters is in the win column. Advanced analytics has very little value and this article was a great example of that.
The only thing unimpressive here is that I haven’t had my fishsticks yet today.
LGR!
We just need a few players to step up during the playoffs. Laffy, Bread, Zibanejad even, and more etc.
What I’m curious to know is how vulnerable the Rangers’ weaknesses are to be exploited in a 4-7 game series by teams that are also predictably on par and adaptable. That’s what would define a Rangers playoff loss, not not being good enough in a certain area. Are they going to shut down our ability to jump out of the defensive zone quickly, try to block screen plays, etc?
So we win in different ways?? Like a championship team?? Outrageous!
It’s an interesting discussion about our team’s numbers. Everyone complaining needs to grow the hell up
I love these articles. Every metric we have says the best team in the league should not be the best team in the league but they are the best team in the league so we’ll just call them an anomaly so we don’t have to introspect and admit our stats can’t predict shit and keep believing they aren’t the best team in the league.
Most WINS in Rangers history. The only metric that matters.
Everyone seems to be shitting on this article, but I am seeing a lot of positive quotes in it.
> « If you ran this season back again, all things being equal, there’s a good chance the Rangers wouldn’t have quite as good a record, but I don’t believe they would be that far off, » he said. « There are a few other playoff teams that are equal if not greater examples of likely overperforming in terms of process versus results this season. »
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> « They’ve got a lot of pathways to winning games, » McCurdy said. « That will make them hard to play against in the playoffs, where you’d prefer to say, ‘Well, their main strength is X and our plan for that is Y.’ There are too many strengths, and the weaknesses don’t really stick out. »
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> Kelly noted that the Florida Panthers made the Stanley Cup Final last season with an expected goals rate of under 50% at 5-on-5 in the playoffs, an average power play and a lackluster penalty kill. The Tampa Bay Lightning rode dominant special teams and Andrei Vasilevskiy to lift the Cup in 2021.
> « In the small sample size that are the Stanley Cup playoffs, elite shooting talent or luck, coupled with strong goaltending, can be enough to win it all, » Kelly noted. « The Rangers are capable of both. »
We are ranked 3rd overall currently by offense and defensive deviation combined. Only behind florida and carolina.
In 2014-15 our best year since the lockout we were ranked 2nd. In 2011-12 and 13-14 we were ranked 7th both times I think.
This team is built for a deep run.
Also afaik the only conference winners with bad reg season stats overall were the 14-15 ducks(injuries and a really bad power play that was negated by the less calls pre cup finals). 2016-17 hawks which got obliterated round 1, and last years knights, which had injuries and did more deadline shenanigans.
Also the second luckiest lol, look at Boston. Or hell Vancouver isn’t that loved by advanced stats, which have been haunting them recently as their offense has cooled down for the most part.
We have a large fan base. A controversial opinion is going to bring more clicks.