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HabChronicle
why is there a sudden resurgence of drouin talks in this sub lately? move on guys he’s not a hab anymore
FlowShredder
We’re going to have people make the exact same argument in 20 days.
ImprovementOptimal35
If you think this is bad look at the habs fan laughing at the sens for taking Brady on draft day.
Shoddy-Wear-9661
Hot take I kinda miss drouin’s off ice presence. Amazing guy for the community
sbrooksc77
Ok but this time around we are deep. Matheson, guhle, xhjekaj, hutson, struble, harris, etc.,
lwitchermode
🥲
sandysanBAR
I am gonna have to strenuously disagree.
Muter91
For the record I was always 100% against this trade. Awful trade at the time and 7 years later.
ItzEnozz
Remember this when someone tells you
“You are way way over estimating some of our prospects and young players”
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pushaper
so I just found this comment in the other flashback thread about Drouin.
what I find quite neat is the « that has been the price to pay for two years part »… it seems Hughes sets his prices in the same way regarding some players (Anderson I think falls in this category) and it is a good thing
Fleche_de_feu
To be honest if its zegras and anaheim 3rd overall and Edmonton 31st overall pick vs guhle, Montreal 5th overall pick and Colorado 57th overall pick id do the deal.
You get a chance to either pick demidov/levshunov by going up in the draft, you get a late 1st round pick for your late 2nd round pick. I value guhle higher than zegras knowing that hes a proven solid dman while zegras wants out of anaheim and just had a down year. A 1v1 trade is not worth but by swapping some picks it would Balance out
I think it would be fair. Not a huge fan of zegras but as people said here he already has chemistry with caufield and you have a 2 way center to play with the 2 of them while they go all out on offense and suzuki is pretty slick also. It would mesh pretty well way better than tatar-danault-gallagher.
Im worried for guhle the amount of injuries he already had and im sure if he stays healthy he will be a top 4 dman in this team for 10-15 years.
big6135
I think the Mcdonagh and Sergachev trades, even though they were made by different gms, were the ones that hurt me the most and for the longest time. Losing to the lightning, which happened to have both on their team when they beat us (though they got Mcdonagh from NYR) was really the final nail.
daysofc
I didn’t like it at the time because it felt like Habs were giving up too much considering that Tampa was in a position of weakness.
But with that said, the trade had the potential of working out well for the Habs. I think trying to make Drouin play center was a big mistake. That plus injuries kinda took the wind out of his sails as he initially did do fairly good early as a Hab before declining.
Trading McDonagh and others for Gomez was the worse trade in my opinion.
I don’t think the Habs should trade Guhle. He’s the only young D who could fill a top 2 D role. Sure they have plenty of LD prospects but none of them have shown top 2 D potential.
jabronimahoney
The part that really gets my goat, that really bugs me from Habs fans (of which I am one, 40 years as a fan to be exact), is how Sergy would have been thrown to the Wolves as a Hab, where he was insulated as a TBL (Victor Hedman). There was no one like that here. We took a big swing, struck out badly, however he could have just as easily been a bust as another Hab who comes in too early and has far too much expectation on him. With Tampa, he just slid into the 2nd pairing (he didn’t play with Hedman til much later), and was able to play against the 2nd line vs the 1st (who he would have definitely been playing against as a Hab). I’ve never understood how this was never discussed, I mean ever! To me it was always the same as when we have Chelios and Schneider. Matthew was amazing, playing all those easier minutes that Chelios didn’t play. As soon as Chelios was gone, he was exposed, and simply wasn’t in the same league. I still believe to this day, had the Habs not made the trade, Sergy would have been given up on and eventually excelled somewhere else anyways. I’m far happier now that all of our big D prospects are coming up relatively around the same time, so they can learn and share findings together.
VonDingwell
The over estimating of prospects is done by all fan bases but for some reasons, certain players draw the over zealous / overly loud fans. The same fans who defend the organization, « it’s not bad drafting, it’s bad developing » nonsense.
The red flags were there from day one about the Drouin Sergachev trade. Drouin wouldn’t listen to Steve Yzerman and famously had a falling out with him.
Old_Canuck
We ALL knew this one was gonna bite us in the ass the second it was announced.
No one was surprised.
commodore_stab1789
Wow, we’re all pro scouts because we know how a trade turned out after multiple years.
How about guys we hold on to that don’t develop?
Also the same people saying Kent Hughes needs to take risks instead of making safe picks. You can’t make this up. Sorry Anaheim is not interested in trading Zegras for Harris and future consideration.
OffersNoExplanation
If quantity could replace quality, me and a few hundred of my friends could replace McDavid!
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why is there a sudden resurgence of drouin talks in this sub lately? move on guys he’s not a hab anymore
We’re going to have people make the exact same argument in 20 days.
If you think this is bad look at the habs fan laughing at the sens for taking Brady on draft day.
Hot take I kinda miss drouin’s off ice presence. Amazing guy for the community
Ok but this time around we are deep. Matheson, guhle, xhjekaj, hutson, struble, harris, etc.,
🥲
I am gonna have to strenuously disagree.
For the record I was always 100% against this trade. Awful trade at the time and 7 years later.
Remember this when someone tells you
“You are way way over estimating some of our prospects and young players”
[deleted]
so I just found this comment in the other flashback thread about Drouin.
what I find quite neat is the « that has been the price to pay for two years part »… it seems Hughes sets his prices in the same way regarding some players (Anderson I think falls in this category) and it is a good thing
To be honest if its zegras and anaheim 3rd overall and Edmonton 31st overall pick vs guhle, Montreal 5th overall pick and Colorado 57th overall pick id do the deal.
You get a chance to either pick demidov/levshunov by going up in the draft, you get a late 1st round pick for your late 2nd round pick. I value guhle higher than zegras knowing that hes a proven solid dman while zegras wants out of anaheim and just had a down year. A 1v1 trade is not worth but by swapping some picks it would Balance out
I think it would be fair. Not a huge fan of zegras but as people said here he already has chemistry with caufield and you have a 2 way center to play with the 2 of them while they go all out on offense and suzuki is pretty slick also. It would mesh pretty well way better than tatar-danault-gallagher.
Im worried for guhle the amount of injuries he already had and im sure if he stays healthy he will be a top 4 dman in this team for 10-15 years.
I think the Mcdonagh and Sergachev trades, even though they were made by different gms, were the ones that hurt me the most and for the longest time. Losing to the lightning, which happened to have both on their team when they beat us (though they got Mcdonagh from NYR) was really the final nail.
I didn’t like it at the time because it felt like Habs were giving up too much considering that Tampa was in a position of weakness.
But with that said, the trade had the potential of working out well for the Habs. I think trying to make Drouin play center was a big mistake. That plus injuries kinda took the wind out of his sails as he initially did do fairly good early as a Hab before declining.
Trading McDonagh and others for Gomez was the worse trade in my opinion.
I don’t think the Habs should trade Guhle. He’s the only young D who could fill a top 2 D role. Sure they have plenty of LD prospects but none of them have shown top 2 D potential.
The part that really gets my goat, that really bugs me from Habs fans (of which I am one, 40 years as a fan to be exact), is how Sergy would have been thrown to the Wolves as a Hab, where he was insulated as a TBL (Victor Hedman). There was no one like that here. We took a big swing, struck out badly, however he could have just as easily been a bust as another Hab who comes in too early and has far too much expectation on him. With Tampa, he just slid into the 2nd pairing (he didn’t play with Hedman til much later), and was able to play against the 2nd line vs the 1st (who he would have definitely been playing against as a Hab). I’ve never understood how this was never discussed, I mean ever! To me it was always the same as when we have Chelios and Schneider. Matthew was amazing, playing all those easier minutes that Chelios didn’t play. As soon as Chelios was gone, he was exposed, and simply wasn’t in the same league. I still believe to this day, had the Habs not made the trade, Sergy would have been given up on and eventually excelled somewhere else anyways. I’m far happier now that all of our big D prospects are coming up relatively around the same time, so they can learn and share findings together.
The over estimating of prospects is done by all fan bases but for some reasons, certain players draw the over zealous / overly loud fans. The same fans who defend the organization, « it’s not bad drafting, it’s bad developing » nonsense.
The red flags were there from day one about the Drouin Sergachev trade. Drouin wouldn’t listen to Steve Yzerman and famously had a falling out with him.
We ALL knew this one was gonna bite us in the ass the second it was announced.
No one was surprised.
Wow, we’re all pro scouts because we know how a trade turned out after multiple years.
How about guys we hold on to that don’t develop?
Also the same people saying Kent Hughes needs to take risks instead of making safe picks. You can’t make this up. Sorry Anaheim is not interested in trading Zegras for Harris and future consideration.
If quantity could replace quality, me and a few hundred of my friends could replace McDavid!