That’s a little much for a guy who’s only played 40 NHL games.
__Dave_
This feels a tad rich for a guy who’s had one decent but not elite ~30 game season, and has struggled with injuries every year of his career.
dchowchow
I like Joseph Woll but this deal seems very rich for a guy who’s never played a full season.
UnflushableNug
Needs less AAV and more term, IMO.
fuckoffhotsauce
Waaaaaay too much money, Mr. Treliving. The fuck are you doing.
Actual_Cobbler_6334
For a guy who’s never played more than 33 games at *any level* of professional hockey… what is this?
ArkAwn
Welcome to Brad’s world motherfuckers. You thought your stars were overpaid? Now *everyone* gets to be overpaid!
winkNfart
wow 2.5-3 maybe. yikes
Sirrebral99
Smart move to get ahead of the goalie market and lock in Woll before others sign in free agency. Guys like Brossoit and Stolarz probably sign for similar $$$ and term (might even be with the Leafs), and they have a much lower ceiling than Woll so his price would’ve gone up if this deal was signed later.
Still carries some risk considering his injury history and brief track record though.
UtheDestroyer
What the fuck?
drow_enjoyer
Would be sort of okay if Woll wasn’t made of glass… But it’s about a 2m overpay.
Yev_
I like Woll but he hasn’t proven that he can stay healthy. For that reason 4M seems like a lot. Only way this deal looks good is if he actually establishes himself as a starter before the deal kicks in next year
VW91
The AAV seems high for someone who hasn’t proven he can stay healthy. However (small sample size I know) he has been borderline elite in the playoff games he has played. This is a gamble, but if he stays healthy and is a big factor to a deep run in the next 1-2 years, the AAV will seem like a bargain.
Significant_News_638
I get the logic of the gamble – but I would of liked them to buy more term with that AAV. If he is healthy and performs – he is well worth it, but you’re only buying 3 years and all RFA years. If you’re gonna raise AAV over what he is currently worth as an RFA with ~30 games experience and an injury history, you have to buy enough term to give that gamble the chance to pay-off sufficiently.
kornylol
I love this team, everything is just fucking hilarious
Totes_mc0tes
He means 4M total right guys?? I like Woll but he’s basically a rookie still… what is Tre doing?
kingex11
Big gamble. Treliving loves giving money out. That’s his M.O., even with Calgary.
CTHT07
If you ever complained about Dubas not signing Willy or Mitch before their contract year then you can’t really complain about this.
A lot of reward in a deal like this. I’d imagine if Woll doesn’t live up to this deal it’ll be because of injuries in which case he can just go on LTIR. Most of the risk is minimized.
jdoemsone
Hoping this means that they have his summer training figured out to make him more durable. If he stays healthy this will be an absolute steal, but that’s a gigantic if.
Showtime98
Unpopular opinion this is gonna be steal
GooseRider960
Seems like a lot now, but this will be fucking fantastic if he proves he can stay healthy. Seems like they have faith in him being able to do so.
Shawn13337
It’s gonna be funny when Woll is a bonafide stud in 2 years and this deal becomes a fucking steal. I love it.
East_Tomatillo_6991
Oh man, if this is any indication of what’s to come from future deals like Marner, I’m scared.
BaggedGroceries
This subreddit: “Tre COME ONNNNN, we need a GOALIEEEE BRO, GET US A GOALIEEEEEEEE”
>he re-signs the goalie that quite literally everyone says they want him to keep
This subreddit: “BRO TRE WTF ARE YOU DOING THAT’S SO MUCH MONEY!!!!”
Can you guys make up your minds? Cap is going up, Marner and Tavares both come off the books, and there’s essentially no goalies available who’d be demanding less than what Woll is getting for that term. Literally nothing wrong with this deal lol.
CrumblingKing
Seems a bit high but I do firmly believe Woll has the potential to be an elite #1 if they can keep him healthy for a whole season.
arvtovi
There’s no keeping anyone on this sub happy. Cap is going up next season when he’s making $800K, presumably again after that. Let’s say it’s $4M on a cap of $92M (a modest increase over next season’s $88M—we’re talking 4.3% of the cap for your 1A/1B goalie.
And if he’s seriously hurt, we get cap relief. So what does it matter?
Falconflyer75
If he comes back not made of glass this is a good deal
Less so otherwise
RTH1975
It’s not an obscene amount for a potential starter. And it’s large enough to offer a substantial bit of relief when Woll gets placed on LTIR.
Ah2k15
We paid Sammy 3.5 when he wasn’t worth it. Woll has infinitely more potential if they can keep him healthy.
Letterkenny_Irish
Considering Tre mentioned in the post season conference that he was aware of Woll’s injury troubles and that it would have to be assessed, and then is all of a sudden willing to toss upwards of 4M at him makes me think that Woll has been assessed and will be put on a different strength/conditioning/training regimen that will have a high chance of keeping him out of the IR. Otherwise I have no idea how the amount could even be discussed for a player with almost zero NHL experience.
I also get that this contract wouldn’t kick in until the 25/26 season so it doesn’t affect cap limits this year but good lord, I’m getting real sick of the leafs org dumping $ on players that are unproven.
AvecFromage
This is… a baffling decision. How did they arrive at 3.5+? It’s not even a good bet, because that’s a deal you could get after the season IF Woll has a good year.
Ok-Platform-6933
I like this. Woll is the future foundation of this team in net. I believe in him.
_cob_
Man… we’re terrible at contract negotiation
thismadhatter
AAV is worth the gamble. He could shake off the injury concerns with conditioning and be a bargain.
If he is glass, its LTIR
reggierock2010
From the post playoff press conferences you could really tell Tre valued Woll as a starter. I think it’s a gamble, but with the state of goaltending across the league, it’s a gamble I’d be willing to take. Wish the AAV was 3 but I can live with it.
glue80
Don’t mind this move with Woll, talent is there
GoblinStats
Great signing. Development from within.
0nlyRevolutions
Huge gamble when he’s never played a full season without injuries. Hmm. It could definitely work out though. Gambling on young goalies (and winning) has been a hallmark of teams that do well in the playoffs.
But it also kind of says to me that they missed out on all of the other high profile goalies available. Gonna end up running a tandem with Woll + cheap backup I assume.
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That’s a little much for a guy who’s only played 40 NHL games.
This feels a tad rich for a guy who’s had one decent but not elite ~30 game season, and has struggled with injuries every year of his career.
I like Joseph Woll but this deal seems very rich for a guy who’s never played a full season.
Needs less AAV and more term, IMO.
Waaaaaay too much money, Mr. Treliving. The fuck are you doing.
For a guy who’s never played more than 33 games at *any level* of professional hockey… what is this?
Welcome to Brad’s world motherfuckers. You thought your stars were overpaid? Now *everyone* gets to be overpaid!
wow 2.5-3 maybe. yikes
Smart move to get ahead of the goalie market and lock in Woll before others sign in free agency. Guys like Brossoit and Stolarz probably sign for similar $$$ and term (might even be with the Leafs), and they have a much lower ceiling than Woll so his price would’ve gone up if this deal was signed later.
Still carries some risk considering his injury history and brief track record though.
What the fuck?
Would be sort of okay if Woll wasn’t made of glass… But it’s about a 2m overpay.
I like Woll but he hasn’t proven that he can stay healthy. For that reason 4M seems like a lot. Only way this deal looks good is if he actually establishes himself as a starter before the deal kicks in next year
The AAV seems high for someone who hasn’t proven he can stay healthy. However (small sample size I know) he has been borderline elite in the playoff games he has played. This is a gamble, but if he stays healthy and is a big factor to a deep run in the next 1-2 years, the AAV will seem like a bargain.
I get the logic of the gamble – but I would of liked them to buy more term with that AAV. If he is healthy and performs – he is well worth it, but you’re only buying 3 years and all RFA years. If you’re gonna raise AAV over what he is currently worth as an RFA with ~30 games experience and an injury history, you have to buy enough term to give that gamble the chance to pay-off sufficiently.
I love this team, everything is just fucking hilarious
He means 4M total right guys?? I like Woll but he’s basically a rookie still… what is Tre doing?
Big gamble. Treliving loves giving money out. That’s his M.O., even with Calgary.
If you ever complained about Dubas not signing Willy or Mitch before their contract year then you can’t really complain about this.
A lot of reward in a deal like this. I’d imagine if Woll doesn’t live up to this deal it’ll be because of injuries in which case he can just go on LTIR. Most of the risk is minimized.
Hoping this means that they have his summer training figured out to make him more durable. If he stays healthy this will be an absolute steal, but that’s a gigantic if.
Unpopular opinion this is gonna be steal
Seems like a lot now, but this will be fucking fantastic if he proves he can stay healthy. Seems like they have faith in him being able to do so.
It’s gonna be funny when Woll is a bonafide stud in 2 years and this deal becomes a fucking steal. I love it.
Oh man, if this is any indication of what’s to come from future deals like Marner, I’m scared.
This subreddit: “Tre COME ONNNNN, we need a GOALIEEEE BRO, GET US A GOALIEEEEEEEE”
>he re-signs the goalie that quite literally everyone says they want him to keep
This subreddit: “BRO TRE WTF ARE YOU DOING THAT’S SO MUCH MONEY!!!!”
Can you guys make up your minds? Cap is going up, Marner and Tavares both come off the books, and there’s essentially no goalies available who’d be demanding less than what Woll is getting for that term. Literally nothing wrong with this deal lol.
Seems a bit high but I do firmly believe Woll has the potential to be an elite #1 if they can keep him healthy for a whole season.
There’s no keeping anyone on this sub happy. Cap is going up next season when he’s making $800K, presumably again after that. Let’s say it’s $4M on a cap of $92M (a modest increase over next season’s $88M—we’re talking 4.3% of the cap for your 1A/1B goalie.
And if he’s seriously hurt, we get cap relief. So what does it matter?
If he comes back not made of glass this is a good deal
Less so otherwise
It’s not an obscene amount for a potential starter. And it’s large enough to offer a substantial bit of relief when Woll gets placed on LTIR.
We paid Sammy 3.5 when he wasn’t worth it. Woll has infinitely more potential if they can keep him healthy.
Considering Tre mentioned in the post season conference that he was aware of Woll’s injury troubles and that it would have to be assessed, and then is all of a sudden willing to toss upwards of 4M at him makes me think that Woll has been assessed and will be put on a different strength/conditioning/training regimen that will have a high chance of keeping him out of the IR. Otherwise I have no idea how the amount could even be discussed for a player with almost zero NHL experience.
I also get that this contract wouldn’t kick in until the 25/26 season so it doesn’t affect cap limits this year but good lord, I’m getting real sick of the leafs org dumping $ on players that are unproven.
This is… a baffling decision. How did they arrive at 3.5+? It’s not even a good bet, because that’s a deal you could get after the season IF Woll has a good year.
I like this. Woll is the future foundation of this team in net. I believe in him.
Man… we’re terrible at contract negotiation
AAV is worth the gamble. He could shake off the injury concerns with conditioning and be a bargain.
If he is glass, its LTIR
From the post playoff press conferences you could really tell Tre valued Woll as a starter. I think it’s a gamble, but with the state of goaltending across the league, it’s a gamble I’d be willing to take. Wish the AAV was 3 but I can live with it.
Don’t mind this move with Woll, talent is there
Great signing. Development from within.
Huge gamble when he’s never played a full season without injuries. Hmm. It could definitely work out though. Gambling on young goalies (and winning) has been a hallmark of teams that do well in the playoffs.
But it also kind of says to me that they missed out on all of the other high profile goalies available. Gonna end up running a tandem with Woll + cheap backup I assume.